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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    Breaking News fresh off the presses! Not really sure how all this will work. I guess when it fails in the Congress he'll blame the Republicans...

    Obama: President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College

    Does anyone have any thoughts as to how this can actually work?

    Because I'm not liking this idea:
    Color me cynical.

    I haven't seen anything from Obama that wasn't either 1) agenda driven or 2) politically ass-saving driven. I think this is number 2.

    It's not surprising to me that he'll propose spending more money that the government doesn't have to make himself look good.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    Breaking News fresh off the presses! Not really sure how all this will work. I guess when it fails in the Congress he'll blame the Republicans...

    Obama: President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College

    Does anyone have any thoughts as to how this can actually work?

    Because I'm not liking this idea:
    It sounds like extending the public school system two years, in return for some sort of work program. Volunteer work? Military?

    If I were 16, I'd like it. But now, it just sounds expensive. I also don't trust another program that's supposed to pay for itself. Fool me once......
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    It sounds like extending the public school system two years, in return for some sort of work program. Volunteer work? Military?

    If I were 16, I'd like it. But now, it just sounds expensive. I also don't trust another program that's supposed to pay for itself. Fool me once......
    It's a scholarship mixed with work study.

    Your comparison with the public school system isn't entirely off. It's a bit of a stretch, but policy wise over the next year the President is in fact reproducing nuggets of what we have seen in terms of accountability and scoring in public schools since the 1980s.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I suspect that the percent of our population who aren't really prepared for college is no different than it was fifty years ago, but we do have a larger percentage attending college, thus it's quite natural that more college students are unprepared. But maybe I'm wrong, it's just my opinion.
    It's not because more students today are attending college, I'm sorry to say. Ask profs what they're seeing in their classrooms today. They are unfamiliar with ordinary words such as "argument" and "controversy." (I am not making this up.)

    And it's not just the lack of critical thinking skills or the inability to comprehend what they read; too many students have zero intellectual curiosity. They aren't interested in actually learning, much less learning how to learn.

    Add to that the fact that already at least a fifth of college students cannot read cursive, meaning that unless their work is graded online, they cannot even understand what their profs' comments are on their work.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    It sounds like extending the public school system two years, in return for some sort of work program. Volunteer work? Military?

    If I were 16, I'd like it. But now, it just sounds expensive. I also don't trust another program that's supposed to pay for itself. Fool me once......
    Clinton initiated a similar volunteer service program that never really took off.

    The volunteers (cynically dubbed "Clinton's Kids" by the locals) that I had contact with spent most of their service hours loitering around. In addition, as a certain number of this group were from uhmmm "at risk" backgrounds, they needed an awful lot of direct supervision, lest they get themselves into trouble of various sorts.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by LZRD WZRD View Post
    You think kids with a C+ average are getting "good grades"?
    I actually agree with the program, but yes, I want a straight B average, which is simply and easy to keep at a community college.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    I actually agree with the program, but yes, I want a straight B average, which is simply and easy to keep at a community college.
    Not necessarily. At community colleges that are feeder schools for major universities, you might be surprised by the rigor. One reason is that some faculty teach at both institutions.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Color me cynical.

    I haven't seen anything from Obama that wasn't either 1) agenda driven or 2) politically ass-saving driven. I think this is number 2.

    It's not surprising to me that he'll propose spending more money that the government doesn't have to make himself look good.
    Agenda driven? As opposed to what? Throwing dice?
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Not necessarily. At community colleges that are feeder schools for major universities, you might be surprised by the rigor. One reason is that some faculty teach at both institutions.
    I know one such facility. In my experience, this isn't overly technical or accurate, but C level work at our school, will get you an A or AB at the other school.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    $34B is doable. It is limited to kids with good grades.
    While the ones who need help are left falling further and further behind.

    Kids with good grades do not pay much for community college. Most states have dual enrollment programs that allow HS students to attend CC at the same time as high school with the state picking up the tuition.

    Not including scholarships and work programs. Some communities HS graduation isn't even 50%. We need to fix that before creating a new entitlement. I'd rather pump 34b into inner city schools
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