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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    $34B is doable. It is limited to kids with good grades.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Sounds to me like Obama is willing to do a little horse trading.

    He sees the reality of the GOP controlling both houses and he knows that if he takes out his veto pen every time they send him a bill that the Democrats will feel the wrath at the polls in 2016. This smells like he's floating a deal...
    What in the world ever gave you the idea that Obama knows how to float anything? He has no clue how to do anything let alone make deals. He his as narcissistic as it comes and in no way does he know how to work with anyone. And that is is proven record. A narcissist does not change his strips.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    If we can figure out a way to pay for it without hitting the middle class I'm all for it. However, I think it should also include trade schools as college ain't for everyone.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Do democrats have any ideas that don't include using other peoples money or labor? I'm all ears for any ideas that don't amount to theft and servitude.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Fenton.

    If he's thinking along those lines, how about doing the same thing for trade schools, where young people learn how to be plumbers, electricians, carpenters, etc? We need those people, too, and everyone is not interested in going to college. I don't understand what he meant by "work for it," though. Did he mean apply themselves, or something else?
    I'm guessing he meant to apply themselves?

    The more modern term for "trade school" is "technical college," and a rose by any other name....

    The Associate of Applied Science is what is offered (and there are shorter certification programs too), and I don't care what any hifalutin' college grad says: The person who pulls into my driveway in August who can fix my a/c system is a god.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    How about we reduce graduate loan interest rates and make efforts to cap tuition. I think people should have to invest in their education, if you hand it away for "free" it's undervalued. What they should do is ensure it's affordable for people and loans/tuition are low. Our education problem is that tuition has shot up far beyond the rate of inflation (and even economic growth) with student loan interest rates going up along with the answer to education being "throw more money into loans" with universities reacting as "there is more money available to us to charge in tuition."
    Good points...

    Wouldn't it be smarter to spend the money on enhancements to the scholarship system?
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I think that because of his own employment background and financial understanding, Obama doesn't fully understand that money doesn't come from the magic-money machine.
    Seeing as both he and his wife had student loans of their own, I'd say your assessment is inaccurate.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Fenton.

    If he's thinking along those lines, how about doing the same thing for trade schools, where young people learn how to be plumbers, electricians, carpenters, etc? We need those people, too, and everyone is not interested in going to college. I don't understand what he meant by "work for it," though. Did he mean apply themselves, or something else?
    Our community college offers classes in those things, auto repair, networking, has distance learning with 4 years schools for things like engineering, and HS students can take classes virtually for free anyway already so that they can put down a lot of college credits for pennies on the dollar and knock a year or 2 off their final college costs by shortening the time spent at university.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do democrats have any ideas that don't include using other peoples money or labor? I'm all ears for any ideas that don't amount to theft and servitude.
    No.

    I live among similar species, we call them "socialists" and no, they have not changed solutions offered in the 65 years I've been around.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    How about we reduce graduate loan interest rates and make efforts to cap tuition. I think people should have to invest in their education, if you hand it away for "free" it's undervalued. What they should do is ensure it's affordable for people and loans/tuition are low. Our education problem is that tuition has shot up far beyond the rate of inflation (and even economic growth) with student loan interest rates going up along with the answer to education being "throw more money into loans" with universities reacting as "there is more money available to us to charge in tuition."
    Actually, it's not free education that undervalues degrees, but the sheer number of people who hold those degrees. But yes, something needs to be done to curb costs. Even people in my generation who have it significantly better than the current generation of college graduates are still paying off their school loans. When I hear of what current students owe I just see a lifetime of bonded labor.

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