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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    nothing is free. the money has to come from somewhere to pay for it. it is a vital and key component to such a bill.
    most community college's are already fairly inexpensive. the real cost is if you go to a major university.
    Just for future reference. Everyone knows that nothing is free. Everyone knows that if you have a public program that it is paid for with taxes. Everyone knows this.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by DannyRux View Post
    I have long wondered what happened to trade schools, or as we called them in Jersey - Vo-Tech. I just don't feel they're around anymore. Also - my Dad used to bring his car in to the Vo-Tech to get an oil change at cost! Great way to save money while the students train. Or - does that now violate some labor-laws?
    Vocational colleges are still common. Particularly in small towns.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Vocational colleges are still common. Particularly in small towns.

    Many, not all are absolute rip offs.

    Vocational schools don't typically vet their students prior to " accepting " them.

    They just need payment and you're in.

    This can wind up leaving kids with allot of debt and no closer to finding a good job.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by DannyRux View Post
    I have long wondered what happened to trade schools, or as we called them in Jersey - Vo-Tech. I just don't feel they're around anymore. Also - my Dad used to bring his car in to the Vo-Tech to get an oil change at cost! Great way to save money while the students train. Or - does that now violate some labor-laws?
    Every single high school in my state has one either within the high school or as a separate facility.

    Our local two year tech college changed it's name a few years ago to "community college", but they still offer all the same vocational training that they used to. Support for vo-tech is huge around here.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by DannyRux View Post
    I have long wondered what happened to trade schools, or as we called them in Jersey - Vo-Tech. I just don't feel they're around anymore. Also - my Dad used to bring his car in to the Vo-Tech to get an oil change at cost! Great way to save money while the students train. Or - does that now violate some labor-laws?
    They went away in my area in various phases. Part of it was because of the need to push up test scores in the other parts of the curriculum (culinary/food services went first because that was where the barely literate pooled), part of it was budget, and the last nail in the coffin was when the high schools went for a period to block scheduling sort of like college but your schedule rotated so that some weeks were more intense in some subjects than in other weeks with an optional 7th period. Since the remaining vocational classes (automotive and electrician) already used big blocks they interfered with the rotation of the other mandatory subjects like math, English and science. There are still some classes as electives like Shop, but it is not the same as the training programs used to be.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Prediction: Virtually the same number of people will go to college and earn degrees, but the government will rake in another 1/2 trillion in the process.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Just for future reference. Everyone knows that nothing is free. Everyone knows that if you have a public program that it is paid for with taxes. Everyone knows this.
    evidently Obama doesn't think so. he says it's free. it isn't free. please tell me how to pay for this and who is going to pay for it.
    unless it costs 0 it isn't free. that is what the word free means 0 cost.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Many, not all are absolute rip offs.

    Vocational schools don't typically vet their students prior to " accepting " them.

    They just need payment and you're in.

    This can wind up leaving kids with allot of debt and no closer to finding a good job.
    I'd like some specific examples of this. If a technical college is accredited, this isn't going to happen.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    They went away in my area in various phases. Part of it was because of the need to push up test scores in the other parts of the curriculum (culinary/food services went first because that was where the barely literate pooled), part of it was budget, and the last nail in the coffin was when the high schools went for a period to block scheduling sort of like college but your schedule rotated so that some weeks were more intense in some subjects than in other weeks with an optional 7th period. Since the remaining vocational classes (automotive and electrician) already used big blocks they interfered with the rotation of the other mandatory subjects like math, English and science. There are still some classes as electives like Shop, but it is not the same as the training programs used to be.
    They're coming back, and some of them are terrific "alternative routes to the middle class." The Return of Vocational High Schools: More Options or the Kiss of Death? - US News

    "For years, vocational high schools have been seen as a lesser form of schooling – tracking some kids off to work while others were encouraged to go on to college and pursue higher income professions. But things are changing. Vocational high schools are focusing much more on preparing students for higher education." Rethinking vocational high school as a path to college | Marketplace.org

    That "higher education" is often an Associate of Applied Science. To earn one, a student does have to take the basics that every freshman and sophomore college student takes. It's a solid two-year degree.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    evidently Obama doesn't think so. he says it's free. it isn't free. please tell me how to pay for this and who is going to pay for it.
    unless it costs 0 it isn't free. that is what the word free means 0 cost.
    Free as in doesn't cost the student anything directly for tuition. Just like public school is free in the same regard (excluding registration fees). However, everyone knows that while you don't pay tuition for public school, you do pay taxes to fund it.
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