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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

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    To be honest, Nimby, I really didn't expect you to understand the point I was making...

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    I may not agree with you not liking the idea, but your OP has taken off and I liked it--well done .

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    Breaking News fresh off the presses! Not really sure how all this will work. I guess when it fails in the Congress he'll blame the Republicans...

    Obama: President Proposes 2 Free Years of Community College

    Does anyone have any thoughts as to how this can actually work?

    Because I'm not liking this idea:
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Obama is just calling the Republicans bluff. He knows they have no ideas of their own except hating everything Obama likes and loving anything he doesn't want. So it will be bill after bill that has no chance of becoming law which is what they really want. Take a look at their latest masterpiece "The Save American Workers Act" for an example. They are too divided to actually govern and they know it so they will tread water another 2 years, hoping against hope that some messiah will appear and get them out of this mess. Meanwhile Obama's popularity will keep growing (he's already at a 2 year high) along with the economy, making a Democratic victory in 2016 a foregone conclusion. And the GOP will breath a sigh of relief because at least they didn't get run out of town on a rail.
    If Obama wanted to do all of that, I would have looked to something that would gain more traction with those who are most likely to vote (and in greater numbers). This bill is a play to the young people, not middle aged, or the elderly.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    It's skills and training regardless of whether everyone has it or not. The more skilled and educated our working population is, the more competitive we are in the global economy among developed nations. Not a difficult concept here.
    Apparently it is a difficult concept for you since you aren't getting the point either. The point is the value of the diploma. That value drops to zero if everyone has one.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Trailer park conservatives don't really want to see a light for their child. They think that working a $10/hr job for the rest of their lives is "success".
    Yeah if there was a "smack on the back of the head" button, I would use it on this post.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    If Obama wanted to do all of that, I would have looked to something that would gain more traction with those who are most likely to vote (and in greater numbers). This bill is a play to the young people, not middle aged or the elderly.
    Where do you think young people come from, the stork? Who pays for their college if they can afford it? Besides the voting age is 18.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Apparently it is a difficult concept for you since you aren't getting the point either. The point is the value of the diploma. That value drops to zero if everyone has one.
    No because it still depends on what you choose to get that diploma in. If you give everyone 2 years of community college, then its a given that the ones that choose to get an Art History Major will have an even less valuable diploma now because there is just not that much demand for Art History Majors out there in the economy. However, the ones that choose to get their 2 year degree in Computer Science are not going to have a worthless degree because there are more jobs today for IT professionals then there are adequately skilled IT candidates to fill them.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Where do you think young people come from, the stork? Who pays for their college?
    Few care about the affordability of postsecondary education except for a group of voters with fickle devotion to voting and little political clout.

    I would be more interested in trading the Keystone Pipeline for the Democrats' traditional plank for infrastructure development as a means of trading political blows. There's been much more discussion surrounding that than postsecondary education. Keystone is going to be the Congress's first big priority this session and some Democrats keep hammering the jobs claims.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    It's skills and training regardless of whether everyone has it or not. The more skilled and educated our working population is, the more competitive we are in the global economy among developed nations. Not a difficult concept here.
    You could actually have the government set controls on the amount of degrees available by using the input of industry, but I would never support that idea. It would however work to avoid the issue of useless degrees.

    On that note, I really have to learn to stop supplying people with ideas.

    Anyway, having skills that you can't do anything with and that you are still paying for does you no good.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Apparently it is a difficult concept for you since you aren't getting the point either. The point is the value of the diploma. That value drops to zero if everyone has one.
    So that is what you are worried about? Too many people with diplomas? How could everybody possibly have one? Are you picturing some sort of forced education where everyone is picked for college by the police? This is a voluntary program and certainly not for everybody.

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