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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Nothing devalues a college degree more than everybody having one.
    So yer against all God's children having the opportunity to get ahead in the world with a college degree.
    And helping lower-to-middle class families elevate their children to the next level .
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Nothing devalues a college degree more than everybody having one.
    Yet the conservative answer to poverty is "get some education and job skills".
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Yet the conservative answer to poverty is "get some education and job skills".
    Yes. That is the answer. But surely you get the point--If everyone has a college degree, the degree is meaningless.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    So yer against all God's children having the opportunity to get ahead in the world with a college degree.
    And helping lower-to-middle class families elevate their children to the next level .
    Americans structure higher education as a means of gaining competitive employment opportunities rather than edification. In many fields where the prospective employees are many and the jobs are few, you see a rise in artificial requirements. A scholar in waiting, rather than merely needing to be a freshly-minted PhD with a book perhaps on the way need only apply when he has successfully published two books and maintained a few years of teaching experience. What was once prime material becomes inferior to ever-greater work experience, education, and acquisitions of status.

    The market requires workers demonstrate superiority to his fellow man. Elitism becomes the saving grace for a prospective employee.

    There's at the very least, some method to Fletch's madness.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    I wish I was still in the classroom sometimes, making the difference in chem/physics/math.
    But I still tutor and coach and my 'hidden agenda', quite conservative with the kids, is always geared to what you mention.

    It's like a great HS wrestler--they're all that good in college--same with major level courses in Chemistry--HS As are a dime a dozen.
    Our CCs in IL now have PhDs in most majors--it's the only way 4-year schools would take the whole AA degree.

    HS teachers must have a Masters in Chemistry, not just a Masters in Ed in Chem, to teach Chem for a major level course.
    Otherwise, they can still teach Chem for gen ed.

    Also, we have a huge program where HS courses count as DUAL CREDIT with the CC .

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Yes. That is the answer. But surely you get the point--If everyone has a college degree, the degree is meaningless.
    From an income standpoint, maybe. But it does mean that employers have a large choice of educated potential employees.

    When it comes to education, I would rather err on the side of an over educated society than an under educated one.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I think that because of his own employment background and financial understanding, Obama doesn't fully understand that money doesn't come from the magic-money machine.
    If you're the U.S. it does in fact come from the magic money machine.

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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Sounds to me like Obama is willing to do a little horse trading.

    He sees the reality of the GOP controlling both houses and he knows that if he takes out his veto pen every time they send him a bill that the Democrats will feel the wrath at the polls in 2016. This smells like he's floating a deal...
    Obama is just calling the Republicans bluff. He knows they have no ideas of their own except hating everything Obama likes and loving anything he doesn't want. So it will be bill after bill that has no chance of becoming law which is what they really want. Take a look at their latest masterpiece "The Save American Workers Act" for an example. They are too divided to actually govern and they know it so they will tread water another 2 years, hoping against hope that some messiah will appear and get them out of this mess. Meanwhile Obama's popularity will keep growing (he's already at a 2 year high) along with the economy, making a Democratic victory in 2016 a foregone conclusion. And the GOP will breath a sigh of relief because at least they didn't get run out of town on a rail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Yes. That is the answer. But surely you get the point--If everyone has a college degree, the degree is meaningless.
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    Re: Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Yes. That is the answer. But surely you get the point--If everyone has a college degree, the degree is meaningless.
    It's skills and training regardless of whether everyone has it or not. The more skilled and educated our working population is, the more competitive we are in the global economy among developed nations. Not a difficult concept here.
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