I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.
Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. ~W.C. Fields
Here again his job has zip connection to his religion, but Cochran connected the two for some reason in his book. I suspect he used his title and connection as a way to lend credence to the author and thus the book.
"When Faith preaches Hate, Blessed are the Doubters." - Amin Maalouf
i keep hoping to find THE authentic reason for the fire chief's firing. thus far it appears be this:
[emphasis added by bubba]Alex Wan, the only openly gay member of Atlanta's City Council, released a statement on Reed's decision:
I support the administration's decision to terminate Kelvin Cochran's employment with the City of Atlanta. His actions made it a difficult work environment for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender employees within the Atlanta Fire Rescue Department. This sends a strong message to employees about how much we value diversity and how we adhere to a non-discriminatory environment.
I pledge my full support to Interim Fire Chief Joel Baker and LGBT Community Liaison Robin Shahar in implementing whatever programs and steps they recommend to create a safe working environment for all employees within the department.
Atlanta Fire Chief fired after publishing book calling homosexuality ?unclean,? ?vulgar? - Atlanta Business Chronicle
shirley, there must be more to have caused cochrane's termination than what he wrote, as there is nothing in his screed which would place anyone in harm's way, such that there is now a call for safe working conditions
and if there is truly nothing more than his words that instigated this termination, then we should sound the alarms, because this man's right to free speech has been very much violated
if one's new supervisor shows up wearing unadorned, understated clothing, with her skirt well below he knees, the frequent dress of those who subscribe to the southern baptist religion, do we also fear her ... because we now have reason to believe her own moral viewpoints are near identical to cochran's. they share the same religious ideology. so, even tho she has not written/published a treatise, we might well conclude that she, too believes that homosexual acts are sinful and to her, aberrant
how about if she arrives in a burka. does that indicate a personal openness to a hedonistic or homosexual lifestyle. so, should her subordinates be scared of her, as the LBGT staff of atlanta fire were scared of their supervisor
and if you respond, 'no of course not', to my above questions, as in neither example did the supervisor write/publish such intolerant views, then does that not tell us that the difference was only that the fire chief exercised his right of free speech in a way that they did not
so, maybe there is more to this than we have access to, but by withholding it, the government of atlanta does not hold itself in good stead. it appears to have fired a very moral man for advocating his personal morality and having the temerity to exercise his right of free speech to articulate his personal views
Keeping someone like that in their position....who's responsibility is it to protect those that are dependent on him to be treated fairly in the workplace? Their families depend on their making a living.
Btw, I dont always agree, at all, with those decisions about what's been posted on social media.
would you rather the bigot be covert than overt? someone who hides their bigotry instead of someone who is candid about it? that concealment makes it much more difficult to align their actions with their beliefs. my preference would be to know who holds such - to me, backward - beliefs, rather than having to put the puzzle togetherBlatantly racist or misogynistic?
and like most, i would prefer someone not to hold misogynist or racially biased views. but look on this board, and it is obvious that would be a fantasy to expect such reasonableness in the workplace
what's next? if the manager is someone who watches his weight, works out and is selective about what he puts in his mouth, will that cause him to be found to have a bias against fat people. can't have that, get his ass out of that leadership position so that he is no longer in a position to intrude on the prospects of fat subordinatesKnowing the hate and disgust your manager or co-worker felt for you, realizing that it would very possibly affect your chances for advancement?
you are right, it could affect it. but here's the rub, it should not. and we should not assume that it will. we should instead act on fact, and get rid of him IF his actions demonstrate that he is acting on his unique sense of morality, rather than by the shop rulesHis personal morality can affect his judgement...that's a fact.
ok, share with us examples of what you insist and let's scrutinize them to see if those were reasonable actionsI wrote earlier that govt agencies....school boards and counties...fire teachers and judges, etc for the personal things they post on social media and the personal morality that they display.
i agree with you that we must treat every employee fairly. then why do you defend firing this very moral fellow only because of the courage of his convictions and not his biased actions against subordinates. i have seen NO proof he acted inappropriately towards any subordinate employee, peer, or supervisor. there is no record that any coworker was inflicted by this man's moral beliefs. so, where is this profound sense of fairness, now?Keeping someone like that in their position....who's responsibility is it to protect those that are dependent on him to be treated fairly in the workplace?
show me an instance when that is not the case. that tidbit has no bearing on this matterTheir families depend on their making a living.
good to know. i am assuming you see the particulars surrounding the termination and question the legitimacy of the firing action. well, that's what i am doing hereBtw, I dont always agree, at all, with those decisions about what's been posted on social media.
32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
Since by local standards, I was a very conservative Christian (active church goer), could I demand her removal based on the possibility that she might be hostile to me as an individual and then might seek to punish me for my views by hindering my advancement?
Or, would I have needed to wait until she actually did something that I could prove?