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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I know, she and I were discussing hypotheticals, not the OP itself
    Yes, her comparison was bull****. The two situations are not at all similar:

    1) Those people are bad because having gay sex is unnatural, a sin, and comparable to having sex with kids.
    2) Those people are bad because they are denying others a basic human right.

    You can obviously tell the difference between the two view points, right? One is hate speech and the other is not. But even still, under her comparison, the police chief could be fired if the right words were used. For instance, "people who only have sex with those of the opposite sex and forbid homosexuality are akin to bestiality and pedophilia"... yeah he could get fired for that.

    That's a fireable offense anywhere. Here's a pro tip to managers: don't publicly write that a group of people who could work for you are as bad as horse ****ers and you probably won't get fired.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Yes, her comparison was bull****. The two situations are not at all similar:

    1) Those people are bad because having gay sex is unnatural, a sin, and comparable to having sex with kids.
    2) Those people are bad because they are denying others a basic human right.

    You can obviously tell the difference between the two view points, right? One is hate speech and the other is not. But even still, under her comparison, the police chief could be fired if the right words were used. For instance, "people who only have sex with those of the opposite sex and forbid homosexuality are akin to bestiality and pedophilia"... yeah he could get fired for that.

    That's a fireable offense anywhere. Here's a pro tip to managers: don't publicly write that a group of people who could work for you are as bad as horse ****ers and you probably won't get fired.
    horse****ers are bad?

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    horse****ers are bad?
    Someone (not you) is posting melt down posts. If he was paying attention (which he wasn't), my post that got him all jacked up was about "hostile and uncomfortable workplaces" and my response with that same post to your correct reference to protected classes and workplaces, not this story.

    That's why it's always better to read and comprehend the discussions and posts you're trying to tear down so you don't post really dumb posts.

    By the way, just saw and posted in your thread about the new job. Nice work! I'm really happy for you. I hope the move isn't traumatic but I've been there, done that myself (had to relocate to report into the HQ). Best wishes for much success in it!
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Yes, that's what I saw. I didn't see anywhere that the people who actually got the books were the ones who complained either, unless I missed that somewhere.
    Hadnt thought of that. Then it begs the question....how did they know about the content?
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I've had to sit through trainings like that as well. Some of them are just downright comical. I remember once leaning to one of my peers and saying "Nobody told me I'd have to play psychiatrist too when I took on this role."

    HR is a tricky and pretty nasty field to be in. At least once a week I pat myself on the back for making the decision to never go into that field, especially being a manager of people. That's hard enough.
    It's really not that bad....but it's amazing what people bring on themselves or think they can get away with.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    protected status

    These are the operative words here.

    Unfortunately "hostile or uncomfortable work environment" only relates to protected classes.

    If the situation was reversed here, and the Chief published a book about how great the gay lifestyle is and how everyone should support it and how those who don't are rotten bigots, and someone was uncomfortable with those sentiments and had concerns about how the Chief would view him because he abhorred the gay lifestyle, he wouldn't have a leg to stand on in a complaint. People who are not in favor of gay lifestyle or gay marriage are not a protected class, and in the eyes of the law, the hostile or uncomfortable work environment in the example wouldn't be addressed. The only HR issue I think would be if the Chief directly threatened his job, but I'm still having problems finding a law that confirms that.
    Do we know that sexual orientation isnt a protected class in that state? It is in some.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Yes, her comparison was bull****. The two situations are not at all similar:

    1) Those people are bad because having gay sex is unnatural, a sin, and comparable to having sex with kids.
    2) Those people are bad because they are denying others a basic human right.

    You can obviously tell the difference between the two view points, right? One is hate speech and the other is not. But even still, under her comparison, the police chief could be fired if the right words were used. For instance, "people who only have sex with those of the opposite sex and forbid homosexuality are akin to bestiality and pedophilia"... yeah he could get fired for that.

    That's a fireable offense anywhere. Here's a pro tip to managers: don't publicly write that a group of people who could work for you are as bad as horse ****ers and you probably won't get fired.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Do we know that sexual orientation isnt a protected class in that state? It is in some.
    Sexual orientation is most definitely a protected class.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Do we know that sexual orientation isnt a protected class in that state? It is in some.
    or that county, or municipality or that org
    unless NEW info comes out this thing is so open and close its ridiculous
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Sexual orientation is most definitely a protected class.
    Not federally and not in all states....yet.
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