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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I worked in an HR dept of a large corp when I went back to night school. Very informative. And ALL about CYA. Protecting the company from liability.

    Also learned alot about the personality types, triggers, and circumstances surrounding workplace shootings. The signs to look for, why you handle firings in a certain way and provide resources/pay after, etc.
    I've had to sit through trainings like that as well. Some of them are just downright comical. I remember once leaning to one of my peers and saying "Nobody told me I'd have to play psychiatrist too when I took on this role."

    HR is a tricky and pretty nasty field to be in. At least once a week I pat myself on the back for making the decision to never go into that field, especially being a manager of people. That's hard enough.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Because it declares a class of people which HR probably has a policy about (I dont know, but sexual orientation is becoming more and more a protected status by HR departments every day, so I think its a safe assumption that the city HR dept has it covered) to be evil or immoral. This creates a hostile or uncomfortable workplace environment.

    Thats really all there is to it in this case as far as I can see and its pretty cut and dry.
    protected status

    These are the operative words here.

    Unfortunately "hostile or uncomfortable work environment" only relates to protected classes.

    If the situation was reversed here, and the Chief published a book about how great the gay lifestyle is and how everyone should support it and how those who don't are rotten bigots, and someone was uncomfortable with those sentiments and had concerns about how the Chief would view him because he abhorred the gay lifestyle, he wouldn't have a leg to stand on in a complaint. People who are not in favor of gay lifestyle or gay marriage are not a protected class, and in the eyes of the law, the hostile or uncomfortable work environment in the example wouldn't be addressed. The only HR issue I think would be if the Chief directly threatened his job, but I'm still having problems finding a law that confirms that.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    protected status

    These are the operative words here.

    Unfortunately "hostile or uncomfortable work environment" only relates to protected classes.

    If the situation was reversed here, and the Chief published a book about how great the gay lifestyle is and how everyone should support it and how those who don't are rotten bigots, and someone was uncomfortable with those sentiments and had concerns about how the Chief would view him because he abhorred the gay lifestyle, he wouldn't have a leg to stand on in a complaint. People who are not in favor of gay lifestyle or gay marriage are not a protected class, and in the eyes of the law, the hostile or uncomfortable work environment in the example wouldn't be addressed. The only HR issue I think would be if the Chief directly threatened his job, but I'm still having problems finding a law that confirms that.
    I would agree this is a problem and those who are uncomfortable with celebratory views on gay rights should also be protected so long as they don't lash out like this guy did. In reality, I think we need a happy neutral.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I would agree this is a problem and those who are uncomfortable with celebratory views on gay rights should also be protected so long as they don't lash out like this guy did. In reality, I think we need a happy neutral.
    Don't fall into her trap. Her idea is ridiculous. If someone wrote some book that said all straight people deserve to go to hell and they are akin to people who **** horses... they would get fired too.

    Her false dichotomy doesn't work here on this board.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I would agree this is a problem and those who are uncomfortable with celebratory views on gay rights should also be protected so long as they don't lash out like this guy did. In reality, I think we need a happy neutral.
    Amen to that bolded part! I'm all for that. I think by correcting an issue that existed systematically in the past we ended up overcorrecting. A little moderation would be good, or a little parity...I don't know.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Thats really all there is to it in this case as far as I can see and its pretty cut and dry.
    its very cut and dry
    i dont know anybody in real life that is surprised over this one bit everybody i have talked to about this all say the same basic thing

    "man that guy was stupid, what was he thinkin, you cant do that"
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Don't fall into his trap. His idea is ridiculous. If someone wrote some book that said all straight people deserve to go to hell and they are akin to people who **** horses... they would get fired too.

    His false dichotomy doesn't work here on this board.
    of course they would
    just like anybody else that did somethign this stupid
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Don't fall into her trap. Her idea is ridiculous. If someone wrote some book that said all straight people deserve to go to hell and they are akin to people who **** horses... they would get fired too.

    Her false dichotomy doesn't work here on this board.
    I dont think thats what she is saying.

    my understanding is that praising lifestyles (gay, christian, ghetto, suburban, whatever) could make people very uncomfortable, this makes sense to me.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I dont think thats what she is saying.

    my understanding is that praising lifestyles (gay, christian, ghetto, suburban, whatever) could make people very uncomfortable, this makes sense to me.
    But he didn't get fired for praising. He got fired for hating.

    He wouldn't have gotten fired for writing a book that talks about the joy of straight people being in love.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    But he didn't get fired for praising. He got fired for hating.

    He wouldn't have gotten fired for writing a book that talks about the joy of straight people being in love.
    I know, she and I were discussing hypotheticals, not the OP itself

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