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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    This really isn't rocket surgery. If the fire chief had handed out anti-woman, anti-minority or antisemitic literature to his employees this thread would have fizzled out by page three after attracting the usual libertarians.

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    Re: Atlanta Fire Chief: I was fired because of my Christian faith

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Homosexual behavior is immoral. There is nothing wrong or inappropriate about calling it out for what it is, nor about calling out those sick perverts who practice it for what they are.
    So then any gay men or women working for the city should be fired? No one should be forced to work with them? Along with the other immoral people like adulterers and fornicators? I mean, isnt it wrong to force 'decent' people to work for them and with them?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Adultery is a complete aside from Homosexuality. Quit trying to compare the two.
    How so? In the context of this discussion it's been about religious views of gays. Adultery is a sin as well.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    How so? In the context of this discussion it's been about religious views of gays. Adultery is a sin as well.
    Being gay is a trait. Adultery is an action.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Can your boss sexually harass you in street clothes in the parking lot? Or at the supermarket? This can be classified in much the same manner...supervisors have to be extremely careful about perceived or real influence over subordinates.
    I can't answer that question. You'd have to ask an employment law expert. What I do know is that I, as a manager, am responsible for ensuring that there is no harassment of my staff at work nor at company sponsored work related functions. I have never been told that I'm responsible for what my employees do to each other in a parking lot outside of work hours. And I was never told that as a manager I was not to engage in specific activity (such as sexual harassment) with my employees outside of work. I assumed that was a law having nothing to do with employment laws. I'm not responsible for my staff when they're in a supermarket.

    I know my boss can't attempt a quid pro quo on me in a supermarket, or imply in a supermarket that I need to sleep with him in order to keep my job, but I'm not aware of anything that would extend to his employment with my company if he sees me in shorts in the supermarket and says "Nice legs" (which he can not by law say to me in the workplace or at a company sponsored function).

    So I guess someone else would have to answer the question - if this Fire Chief gave these books to people in the supermarket, can he be fired? I can't.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Agreeing that someone should be fired from his job for expressing beliefs that you find disagreeable certainly constitutes intolerance.
    And it is not allowed in most workplaces. Men are not allowed to express their views that they believe women arent capable of doing the same jobs as men (in most types of jobs), for instance cant do math, arent good leaders, are too sensitive, etc.

    They can think it but such views create hostile workplaces, it disrespects peers and others at the workplace.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    How exactly did his employees end up with them?
    That's part of the investigation that the Mayor's office won't discuss.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Being gay is a trait. Adultery is an action.
    Interesting. But again, the religious call homosexuality a sin...they dont make that distinction and it doesnt matter to many of them either.

    Certainly I'd agree that calling an inborn trait a sin is pretty ignorant but that is how most religion frames it.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    That's part of the investigation that the Mayor's office won't discuss.
    Uh huh.

    So much of your denial is also based on a lack of information?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Interesting. But again, the religious call homosexuality a sin...they dont make that distinction and it doesnt matter to many of them either.

    Certainly I'd agree that calling an inborn trait a sin is pretty ignorant but that is how most religion frames it.
    We can get into all sorts of religious discussions, hell, according to Christianity we're all sinners - we're born of it. But that's not the issue:

    The issue is that you cannot be a manager and also display views that could be construed as discriminating. Even if it weren't against the law, it's bad for publicity and most private firms wouldn't put up with it.
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