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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Only fi you are Christian. if you are any other religion then they bow down and get out of the way for you.
    it is only if you are Christian do they actually get the pitchforks and torches down.
    Show us, PLEASE, 5 or 10 situations comparable to the OP involving other religions where the outcome was different. Source it out here. We will wait.

    I wouldn't go that far it does nothing to call people names and I don't do that. I respect the choices that they make even though I don't have to agree with it.
    Prove it! Give a City of Atlanta source that validates your statement above. Prove it. Show us.
    this guy was fired for not reason that expressing a religious view point outside of work.

    there is no documentation anywhere that he discriminated against anyone.
    We have already provided what has been reported and what has been stated by the City of Atlanta, Mayor, City Council and Mayor's spokesperson.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I did. Nothing in your post countered the notion that he claimed his first priority as police chief was to cultivate a culture that glorifies god. To the contrary the link you just provided absolutely acknowledges that he DID state that.

    It goes on to try and explain why he thinks it shouldn't matter...but that's massively different than claiming he didn't say it.

    I don't know why you keep reposting the "uncleanness" quote since it has zero to do with my statements regarding his claims of his priorities on the job.
    because that is what he was fired over.
    yes I did because that is part of his religious belief. Part of the Christian faith is to glorify God in all that we do. whether you are a garbage man a police chief or president.

    He wasn't fired for anything else other than expressing his religious beliefs. on that note it wasn't even him expressing them he was writing a book for a bible study at his church. one of the chapters covered sexual morality. he puts quotes in their directly from the bible and was fired over it.

    all of this of course is illegal.


    This is rich considering I addressed that in the very post you're linking and yet you're acting like I didn't.

    For the third time...I've acknowledged that he claims to have already contacted legal and got the approval. I've acknowledge that in every instance that I've talked about the cities claim that he did not.

    His CLAIM that he did does not inherently disprove the cities CLAIM that he did not.

    Both are making conflicting claims. There is no evidence to verify his CLAIM or theirs. It's a "he said / she said" situation, unless you're aware of evidence I'm not and can link to it.

    Does that mean his CLAIM is incorrect? No it does not. But it does mean it is dishonest to claim as definitive fact that he was fired for stating his beliefs, when the city has publicly and clearly claimed otherwise, UNLESS you somehow also provide evidence that the cities claims are wholey fraudulent.
    the state has not proven their case that he violated any discrimination laws.
    the state has not proven that he was fired for anything other than his religious views.
    which is against the law.

    Prove that he is lying when he says he contacted legal. that is where the burden proof lays so far no one has proven anything that he did anything wrong to be fired.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Show us, PLEASE, 5 or 10 situations comparable to the OP involving other religions where the outcome was different. Source it out here. We will wait.



    Prove it! Give a City of Atlanta source that validates your statement above. Prove it. Show us.
    this guy was fired for not reason that expressing a religious view point outside of work.



    We have already provided what has been reported and what has been stated by the City of Atlanta, Mayor, City Council and Mayor's spokesperson.
    I don't think you know what you are talking about because this post is incoherent.
    I could careless what the mayor said he is trying to justify his illegal actions.

    yes he was fired for that. there is no record anywhere that he ever discriminated against anyone not only with his job as fire chief but when he worked for the President of
    the US.

    so the only reason that he was fired was for writing a bible study book for his church group outside of work and someone didn't like what it said.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Of course they are. How could you possibly not know this?
    Not everywhere and not federally.

    They are in WA St and some other states.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    That's his Constitutional right.
    Not in the workplace to people he supervised.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    There's nothing discriminatory about it.

    discriminate. to make a distinction in favor of or against a person or thing on the basis of the group, class, or category to which the person or thing belongs rather than according to actual merit; show partiality:

    He did none of that.
    It's an indication of how he views people personally. If it didnt matter to him professionally as well, he wouldnt have distributed them among employees.

    Therefore, subordinates may see it as a threat against advancement or even firing if they dont conform.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It would be ok if he went to their homes and delivered them? Or mailed them?

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    Yep. yes it would
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    yes I did because that is part of his religious belief. Part of the Christian faith is to glorify God in all that we do. whether you are a garbage man a police chief or president.
    First, then why did you claim he DIDN'T say that?

    Second, there is a difference between stating as a religious person you try to glorify god in all that you do....and stating that your first priority as a professional is to cultivate a culture that glorifies him.

    The first is talking about you personally and your own actions. The second, talking about cultivating a CULTURE, suggests your acting on your environment and the things around you. That is different.

    However, again I note...there's a difference in saying "I think it's okay that he said it" and denying he said it at all, which you did initially.

    He wasn't fired for anything else other than expressing his religious beliefs.
    Again, stop ignorantly claiming your opinion and guesses as if they're undisputable facts. They're not. There are a number of official reasons given by the city as to why he was terminated; none were "expressing his religious beliefs".

    the state has not proven their case that he violated any discrimination laws.
    I haven't seen where they've definitively claimed he has violated discrimination laws, and that claim is not seemingly the basis of their termination of him.

    If HE is alledging that they terminated him due to discrimination its on him to prove that, as discrimination is an affirmative defense.

    Prove that he is lying when he says he contacted legal.
    Prove a negative. That makes sense.

    He is the one making the claim that an action DID take place. He is the one alledging that his termination was due to fraudulent reasons. He needs to provide the proof that he did what they claim he did not. If he did, he should be able to provide evidence of it either through his own means or via legal means in obtaining their records.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Not in the workplace to people he supervised.
    You're not keeping up. There's no evidence saying it was in the work place and giving them out was not why he was dismissed.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's an indication of how he views people personally. If it didnt matter to him professionally as well, he wouldnt have distributed them among employees.

    Therefore, subordinates may see it as a threat against advancement or even firing if they dont conform.
    Every bit of that is assumption. and not a reason to fire someone.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
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