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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Are you really trying to say a white male has a disadvantage getting a government job?
    A state can obviously disadvantage white males in its graduate school admissions policies--they've been doing it for many years now. Why would a state not have authority to do the same in its government jobs? Surely you don't think it's unfair to punish white men for what someone may have done long before they were even born.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    The issue was in creating a hostile work place per typical EEOC regulations, not religious views per se.
    So there's no one in all of our government that is pro-gay and doesn't feel hostility from those senators/congressmen/POTUS because of their views? Or does that only happen in Fire Departments?
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So there's no one in all of our government that is pro-gay and doesn't feel hostility from those senators/congressmen/POTUS because of their views? Or does that only happen in Fire Departments?
    Honestly, I agree its stupid, but thats how it seems to work, elected officials dont have to follow the same rules but are free to enact their own rules in many cases as the constitution states that the congress make their own rules internally.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

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    the speed at which liberals are willing to destroy people's entire CAREERS based on religious beliefs(and the expression thereof) is really terrifying. It's just a big game to them.
    The pendulum will swing the other way, and when it does, those on the wrong had better hope that those of us on the right do not choose to avail ourselves of the precedents that those on the wrong are now setting, in order to attack those who dare to express wrong-wing opinions in the manner that they currently are attacking right-wing opinions. It seems to be one of the defining characteristics of wrong-wing ideology that they never think about such long-term consequences as this.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Honestly, I agree its stupid, but thats how it seems to work, elected officials dont have to follow the same rules but are free to enact their own rules in many cases as the constitution states that the representatives make their own rules internally.
    Beyond stupid imo. Hypocritical, against equal treatment under the law also.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Beyond stupid imo. Hypocritical, against equal treatment under the law also.
    I edited it after you replied, but yeah, its constitution vs constitution as the house being subject to its own rules is here

    Quote Originally Posted by constitution, article 1, section 5
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    A state can obviously disadvantage white males in its graduate school admissions policies--they've been doing it for many years now. Why would a state not have authority to do the same in its government jobs? Surely you don't think it's unfair to punish white men for what someone may have done long before they were even born.
    We don't agree that white men have been punished or have in disadvantage.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    City of Fairfax VA, The State of Virginia, the Department of the Interior and the Department of Treasury. And no, my employment dates back to the 1980s and is ongoing. I attended a Department of Treasury Christmas party just a few weeks ago.



    It infringes on the individual's right to free speech. As I have already pointed out, in SCOTUS case law the criteria for limiting "hate speech" is very clear, and the Chief's book does not meet those criteria.





    I realize that the City went through the motions to fire the Chief, that doesn't mean their decision was correct or that it would hold up in court.

    The irony is that the City has fired an employee for stating his religious beliefs for fear that he might take negative action on an employee for their sexual orientation. So, in the end, the city violated EEOC regulations to prevent a potential violation of EEOC regulations.
    Jeez, I think I'm getting the flu and the last thing I need to do or want to do is read through city and state statutes and handbooks. At this point I can say that Fairfax County does have a policy prohibiting harassment and discrimination in the workplace based on sexual orientation and religion among other things. Fairfax County even specifically addresses discrimination by supervisors. Good for Fairfax County.

    The City of Fairfax web site provides little to no information that I can find regarding its employees other than for people searching for employment with the city.

    The Commonwealth of Virginia states the following in its department of human resources site (I'm not plowing through state statutes):

    A. ProhibitedConduct

    1. Harassment

    The Commonwealth strictly forbids harassment of any employee, applicant for employment, vendor, contractor or volunteer on the basis of an individual’s race, sex, color, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, age, veteran status, political affiliation, genetics, or disability.

    Policy amended January, 11, 2014 per Executive Order Number 1 (2014) Equal Opportunity.

    2. Retaliation

    The Commonwealth will not tolerate any form of retaliation directed against an employee or third party who either complains about harassment or who participates in any investigation concerning harassment.

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    C. Policy Violations

    1. Engaging In Harassment

    Any employee who engages in conduct determined to be harassment or encourages such conduct by others shall be subject to corrective action, up to and including termination, under Policy 1.60, Standards of Conduct.

    2. Allowing Harassment to Continue

    Managers and/or supervisors who allow workplace harassment to continue or fail to take appropriate corrective action upon becoming aware of the harassment may be considered parties to the offense, even though they may not have engaged in the harassment behavior.

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    Workplace Harassment

    Any unwelcome verbal, written or physical conduct that either denigrates or shows hostility or aversion towards a person on the basis of race, sex, color, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, age, veteran status, political affiliation, genetics, or disability, that: (1) has the purpose or effect of creating an intimidating, hostile or offensive work environment; (2) has the purpose or effect of unreasonably interfering with an employee's work performance; or (3) affects an employee's employment opportunities or compensation.










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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    The case you cited (whatever it may be) apparently had to do with political activity. That is not on point--this is not about the Hatch Act. The Supreme Court has not yet decided the exact question involved here clearly.



    Per the SCOTUS, government interest in maintaining a civil work place overrides the first amendment for employees.
    That is not accurate--it may, or may not. The Supreme Court, only this past summer, called it just the other way in Lane v. Franks, holding in that case that the First Amendment took precedence. The decision begins with this:


    Almost 50 years ago, this Court declared that citizens do not surrender their First Amendment rights by accepting public employment. Rather, the First Amendment protection of a public employee’s speech depends on a careful balance “between the interests of the [employee], as a citizen, in commenting upon matters of public concern and the interest of the State, as an employer, in promoting the efficiency of the public services it performs through its employees.” Pickering v. Board of Ed. of Township High School Dist. 205, Will Cty., 391 U. S. 563, 568 (1968) (emphasis added)

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The pendulum will swing the other way, and when it does, those on the wrong had better hope that those of us on the right do not choose to avail ourselves of the precedents that those on the wrong are now setting, in order to attack those who dare to express wrong-wing opinions in the manner that they currently are attacking right-wing opinions. It seems to be one of the defining characteristics of wrong-wing ideology that they never think about such long-term consequences as this.
    please dont speak for right wingers your views are factually not representative of theirs, millions of right wingers respect peoples rights, the constitution and UNDERSTAND THEM. Millions of right wingers support equal rights for gays. So once again your claims are factually false and cant be supported with any facts.
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