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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    did you just equate a bible being in a public hotel room, in a drawer, where people volunteer and pay to go . . .to . . . a superviser handing out a book to coworkers with his own words it condemning employees own religions, lifestyles and sexual orientations?

    sorry those arent analogues on any planet.

    If someone wants to content, then what's the beef?


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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The point has been reached where the pervert-rights movement is very happy to force it's sick lifestyle on the public as a whole, and is being allowed to do so; as evidenced by the cases where bakers, florists, caterers, photographers and such, have been successfully prosecuted for refusing to participate in sick homosexual mockeries of weddings.

    So now, when a man writes a book which expresses support for decent moral values, this same man is falsely accused of “forcing his beliefs” on others, and fired for it.

    Very clearly, this is a sign of a diseased society, that is willfully favoring evil over good.
    wow talk about strawmen all over the place. Do you have anything that actually discusses the topic?
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    wow talk about strawmen all over the place. Do you have anything that actually discusses the topic?
    I think he wanted to point out he is not a fan of homosexuality

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

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    If someone wants to content, then what's the beef?


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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    this is what i want . .

    for the handful that think this is somehow not right

    tomorrow right a short story about how you want jews to burn or are going to; how niggers are vile and dirty; that you think fags are evil and will unleash a plague on us; or christians are filthy infidels that deserved killed etc etc Then take it to work and distribute it amongst your co workers.

    than let us know what happens, thank you
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Its possible, sure, but it opens up a can of worms in terms of a lawsuit and it would be incredibly stupid of him. In an organization where I am sure they have access to HR experts and lawyers, he would have likely been strongly advised against running afoul of easy to accommodate employment laws and EEOC regulations. This is basic stuff front line supervisors are expected to adhere to.
    Right, but all you are dancing around is that the Government has a point they are advocating that is contrary to the point the chief was making. What the government wants is for the chief to advocate their position which is the opposite of advocating no position while on the clock.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm confused by your post. I'm not placing burdens on anyone. And I believe this is taking away his right to free speech. No action was required on the part of the people who received a copy of his book. I'm not aware of something that prohibits us from writing about our religious (or in my case, lack of religious) views and sharing them with co-workers.
    Walk down the hall today and ask your HR people to give you your company policies relating to harassment. I would imagine you'll find that what Cochran is alleged to have done at work would be covered in your company's policy. If you would for a local, state or federal government I would be very surprised if your HR people don't have fairly clear directives relating to Cochran's alleged actions.

    While you are talking to you HR folks ask them how or if the polices would apply to supervisors whose behavior is directed at subordinates.

    It doesn't say in any article I've read that he expected something in return, or that he imposed his views on people, or that he demanded or expected behavioral changes from these people. So what I see is a man sharing his published religious views with other people. That is, IMO, his First Amendment right.
    1. He was the main man and had many subordinates working for him.

    2. He was employed by the City of Atlanta. His income and his benefits were derived by the taxes of the citizens of the City of Atlanta.

    3. When he is working for the City of Atlanta he represents the city administration. When he is in uniform he represents the city administration.

    4. I'm going to go out on a limb here as I haven't lived in Atlanta (my hometown) for a while, but I'm fairly certain that it is not the policy of the city government to promote any religion in any manner. The City of Atlanta does not support any religion or any specific interpretation of any religion.

    5. City employees should know that if they work for the City of Atlanta they will not feel that there race, religion or atheism, disability, sexual orientation will in any way be a factor in their employment and/or advancement.

    Cochran apparently distribute the book at work. We don't know that but it appears that is one of the factors that lead to his suspension and/or dismissal. I say that because it has been reported that during he was direct his suspension that he would not distribute the book at work or on city property. That hints to at least some of what is likely involved.

    Employees did in fact complain. They either felt harassed or intimidated or coerced, we don't know exactly. We do know that Cochran's actions did in fact cause employees to report his behavior.

    It was reported by WSBTV.com:
    In the book based on Christian values, Cochran identifies himself as Atlanta’s fire chief and says his first priority as chief is to run the department “to cultivate its culture to the glory of God.
    The Fire Chief for the City of Atlanta writes a book in which he compares homosexuals to baby rapers and goat ****ers and states that his beliefs come straight from the bible. Further in the book he states that his first priority as chief is run the department "to cultivate its culture to the glory of God".

    Danger! Danger! Danger!

    And then he hands the distributes the book to employees? I would imagine that any employee who read the book handed to him/her by the big chief is going to assume that "Chief Cocoran handed to me because he wants me to read his book about what he believes, and why. The chief is on a mission from God and God wants the chief to glorify God and instill his holy culture in the fire department. The chief doesn't cotton to gays. The chief gave me this book because he wants me to know how he feels. If I want to move up then it would be wise for me not to challenge the chief or his beliefs."

    Imagine if the book was given to supervisor - it likely was. Now you have supervisor who may well believe that the chief was saying something to the effect that "we don't want gays in the firehouse. I put it in writing and put my name on it and I gave it to you for a reason."










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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Right, but all you are dancing around is that the Government has a point they are advocating that is contrary to the point the chief was making. What the government wants is for the chief to advocate their position which is the opposite of advocating no position while on the clock.
    and your proof of this motivation is?

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    this city is in deep trouble if he chooses to pursue a law suit. religion is a protect class and the state just violated it.

    so it seems once again the liberal media doesn't have half the facts that they think they do.
    he was fired for being a Christian and expressing a religious belief outside of work. that is a violation of not only the 1st amendment but
    it is also religious discrimination.
    Unfortunately, our society has reached the point of granting immoral sexual perverts a much stronger “protected class” status than religious faith, such that hard violations of the rights of the latter are now often deemed acceptable and necessary, in order to protect the former from having their feelings hurt.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no
    let's get this right
    it was not that he was expressing his Christian views
    it was that he was expressing very rigid, very intolerant views, that got him in trouble
    Soooo... religious views are only supported so long as they meet the state criteria?
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