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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    religious discrimination is against the law it will be anything but cut and dry.
    or did you not realize this?
    I already cited the federal regulations, there is nothing more I need to do. It seems your claim is disproven.

    Here they are again.

    Compliance Manual Section 12 - Religious Discrimination

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    yes your opinion disagrees with the facts I am finally glad you decided to admit it.
    translation: you cant support you failed and proven wrong claim so now you resort to making things up that were never said.
    facts win again

    thanks, but please let us know when you can support your failed and proven wrong claims. thanks
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    yeah, unfortunately what should be a cut and dry case of justified termination has been muddied due to the political nature of the city of atlanta being a government organization.
    Finally. I was hoping someone other than myself saw this.

    Does anyone not think that is at the core of this?
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So passing out a book that condemns say...homosexuality...wouldn't create a hostile work environment for gays?
    do a bit of research he condemned all sexual immorality. the pages in question where in a chapter what was dealing with what the bible said on sexual morality.
    he also mentioned that sex outside of marriage is wrong. maybe you should get all the facts instead of jumping to conclusions.

    I'm sorry, wrapping homophobia, bigotry, misogyny etc. in the blanket of religion doesn't mean you have the right to push it at the workplace. You can do whatever you want to in your private life but it's not meant for the workplace. The workplace is for working, not proselytizing.
    prove he did any of it. he handed the book out to personal friends that he worked with. he is allowed to do that.
    the thing is they have no proof.

    they committed religious discrimination and I hope they pay the price.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    another failed strawman that nobody honest, educated and objective will take seriously

    also tell us, using facts what is the gay agenda?
    Welp, this is part of it. Fire anyone that speaks poorly of gays.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It's taken me upwards of 6-9 months to terminate employees for performance issues. Federal laws make it very hard to terminate without clear and distinct cause, which can be anything from performance to lying/stealing/breaking the law to insubordination to downsizing and so on. But no, I really don't think I could just terminate someone for publishing a book I find offensive and for giving it to his co workers. Technically the book is the employees' property and is not an illegal substance or other item that isn't allowed to be distributed.
    I had one lady who was a 55 year old disabled philipino woman. The amount of paperwork and time it took (it took over a year before the HR VP (yes it went up that far) would agree to it and they even had legal look at it)

    Even though she clearly did not understand and we could not successfully train her on the technical aspects of her job.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Finally. I was hoping someone other than myself saw this.

    Does anyone not think that is at the core of this?
    I think its at the core of the controversy, but not necessarily the action.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    translation: you cant support you failed and proven wrong claim so now you resort to making things up that were never said.
    facts win again

    thanks, but please let us know when you can support your failed and proven wrong claims. thanks
    I already supported my argument and you have proven nothing wrong.

    Fact the book he made was outside of work for a bible study at his church (protected)
    the chapter in question deals with what the bible says on sexual immorality (protected)
    he handed the book out to people that he had personal relationships with.

    there is no evidence that he discriminated against anyone.

    so yea those are the facts your opinion is irrelevant.

    see I have already supported my argument plenty of times you have yet to prove anything wrong.
    you saying something is wrong doesn't make it so.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    The content of the materials equating homosexuality as "vile, vulgar and inappropriate” is harassment and creates a hostile environment for anyone who may be homosexual or have sympathies.
    I agree with this concept. However, where does it stop?

    I oppose puppy mills and back yard breeding with every fiber of my being. If someone who is my peer or even my superior wrote a book about the "Joys of breeding your bitch 4 times a year to produce pet store puppies", and it was published and he gave it to me and others, I'm not sure that would result in his termination. Nor do I think it should result in his termination. But it would make me hostile nonetheless. You can probably find something that creates a hostile environment for someone in every business and employer in this world if the definition is "bothers anyone who may have views or sympathies".
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Welp, this is part of it. Fire anyone that speaks poorly of gays.
    The same should be applied to anyone who disparages any group, gays, christians, muslims, black people, white people, moonies, people who eat cheese, people with one bigger than another, blonds, etc.

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