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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    1.)nope can't be fired for religious view points it is against the law.
    2.) so unless he was berating people that were gay in the firehouse or he was making their life more difficult or insulting them he wasn't creating any kind of hostile work environment.
    3.)creating a book outside of work for a bible study that contains a chapter on what the bible says about sexual morality can't get you fire.
    1.) good thing that wasnt done
    2.) thats a nice opinion but its worthless to the many cases out there that disagree with you including this one
    3.) correct, he wasnt fired for this either

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Aren't there Bibles in hotel rooms, jails, etc... The Bible says a lot of things, but they're just words. Sticks and stones people.. This **** bothers me to no end.

    Tim-
    did you just equate a bible being in a public hotel room, in a drawer, where people volunteer and pay to go . . .to . . . a superviser handing out a book to coworkers with his own words it condemning employees own religions, lifestyles and sexual orientations?

    sorry those arent analogues on any planet.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    way to ignore the rest of it. prove he violated he didn't violate anything.
    however the city violated his religious beliefs. seems like you only want to enforce the rights you agree with and ignore the ones you don't.
    If you are right, I am sure we will see the lawsuit shortly.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Here's part of my HR policy that would probably land under:



    So if I wrote a book, the act of handing it out would fall under conduct, that makes condemning or derogatory remarks about sexual orientations and has the effect of creating a hostile or offensive work enviroment, I would violate my HR policy and be fired. I cannot speak for other companies though.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    lol, ok come back to me when you have had to deal with these types of issues on a professional level, you obviously have not and I can't explain color to the blind so to speak.
    come back to me when you stop being a religious bigot.

    religion is a protected class you can't fire someone over expressing their religious views. come back and talk to me when you figure out what the law says on religious views.
    more so religious views outside of the work place.

    you evidently don't know half of what you think you do.

    that or you only enforce the rights you agree with and to tell with all the other rights that people have if they disagree with you.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no the mayor discriminated against him because of his religious views. which is a violation of the law.
    this lie and strawman completely fails too
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So I could be fired if I wrote a book that was published and I gave copies of it to my team?
    It's absolutely possible, however what you're providing here isn't enough content to suggest one way or another. For example, is the situation in your hypothetical happening in a right to work state? If it's not, yeah...it would be pretty easy to come up with a reason to fire you regarding that.

    Another example where context is lacking, I most likely absolutely could be fired if I was a supervisor in the federal government, wrote a book concerning political views, and then on the clock gave it to my subordinates. That would quite possibly be a hatch act violation in that particular case.

    I know, in a general sense, most businesses place a greater requirement on supervisors regarding actions towards subordinates than they do coworkers, as there is a natural suggestion of power there and an inherent potential for retaliation.

    It seems you want to just pretend that the content of the writing doens't matter with your continual and non-stop attempt to reframe it simply as "a book". The reality is the content matters in certain situations. Political Positions and the federal government, as I pointed to above, is an example.

    I've not suggested this guys firing was right or wrong. I honestly haven't looked at it deep enough to understand the full context and facts surrounding the case. However, I did know enough about it that the hypothetical you kept trying to suggest with your repeated statements of "co-workers" was an inaccurate one when trying to compare to this situation.

    Why you decided to avoid my question and strawman me by responding as if I said he could or should be fired is beyond me...other than perhaps you simply not wanting to actually address what I said. My question wasn't whether or not this guy should've been fired. My question was regarding your attempted arguments which kept using a hypothetical that included a work relationship (co-workers, implying peers) that was significantly different than the situaiton at hand (boss and subordinates).

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    however the city violated his religious beliefs. seems like you only want to enforce the rights you agree with and ignore the ones you don't.
    100% false his religious beliefs/rights are intact. He still believes them and has them right now.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    come back to me when you stop being a religious bigot.

    religion is a protected class you can't fire someone over expressing their religious views. come back and talk to me when you figure out what the law says on religious views.
    more so religious views outside of the work place.

    you evidently don't know half of what you think you do.

    that or you only enforce the rights you agree with and to tell with all the other rights that people have if they disagree with you.
    may I ask how old you are?

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    which has nothing to do with what happened. the city screwed up big time and discriminated against his religious beliefs.
    So passing out a book that condemns say...homosexuality...wouldn't create a hostile work environment for gays?

    I'm sorry, wrapping homophobia, bigotry, misogyny etc. in the blanket of religion doesn't mean you have the right to push it at the workplace. You can do whatever you want to in your private life but it's not meant for the workplace. The workplace is for working, not proselytizing.
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