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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    This was your post:

    if i go to work tomorrow and give some co workers copies of a book I wrote and in the book it says that i hate a gender, race, religion etc or that i think women, blacks or christians are vile dirty people guess what . . . . im getting fired LMAO

    Please cite the HR rule that would enable your employer to fire you for giving your coworkers a copy of a book you wrote that disparages someone.
    all you have to do is read my post again slower and you will see how you can get fired for this, sorry this reality bothers you but its not going to change
    thank you for reposting what i wrote further proving your stramen failed
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So I could be fired if I wrote a book that was published and I gave copies of it to my team? Not as far as I know, without an employment agreement specifically prohibiting it.
    It depends on the social effect of the action. If the workplace feels hostile, then yes there could be consequences.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So you don't think the Mayor advocated a point of view by firing him?
    no the mayor discriminated against him because of his religious views. which is a violation of the law.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    you have presented your opinion. I have presented facts.

    you can't fire someone over their religious beliefs. this is a protected class.
    which his exactly what happened.

    the book he made outside of work on his own time for a bible study for his church.
    the 1 page that drew critizism was a chapter on sexual mortality. in which the bible is clear on sexual morality.
    in the same chapter he talked about sex outside of marriage and other things the bible says on sexual morality.

    he didn't target just gays.

    he book he passed out he gave to friends that he had a personal relationship with.

    the city violated the law and I hope that he sues them for millions of dollars.
    lol, ok come back to me when you have had to deal with these types of issues on a professional level, you obviously have not and I can't explain color to the blind so to speak.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Aren't there Bibles in hotel rooms, jails, etc... The Bible says a lot of things, but they're just words. Sticks and stones people.. This **** bothers me to no end.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    that has nothing to do with religious rights or free speech.
    prove he signed any of these things.

    also I dug a bit further into this. It seems that he made the book for his bible study class. The chapter in question that people are up in arms about
    is on sexual morality in the bible.

    In the same chapter he also mentions sex outside of marriage.
    the whole reason this came up is that someone went and got the book then took it to one of the openly gay council members.

    the people that he passed it out to at the fire station were people that he had a person relationship with.

    this city is in deep trouble if he chooses to pursue a law suit. religion is a protect class and the state just violated it.

    so it seems once again the liberal media doesn't have half the facts that they think they do.

    he was fired for being a Christian and expressing a religious belief outside of work. that is a violation of not only the 1st amendment but
    it is also religious discrimination.
    no
    let's get this right
    it was not that he was expressing his Christian views
    it was that he was expressing very rigid, very intolerant views, that got him in trouble
    he leads what is likely a diverse group of employees
    using that book, a person with LBGT inclinations (as but one example) who was not promoted could then claim their promotion was denied only because of their sexual orientation. an orientation that the chief, in his own words, found abhorrent
    the book does give the employer HR problems because it gives employees a basis to challenge disciplinary and non-selection actions, despite that discipline and/or non-selection being for legitimate reasons
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    all you have to do is read my post again slower and you will see how you can get fired for this, sorry this reality bothers you but its not going to change
    thank you for reposting what i wrote further proving your stramen failed
    nope can't be fired for religious view points it is against the law.
    so unless he was berating people that were gay in the firehouse or he was making their life more difficult or insulting them
    he wasn't creating any kind of hostile work environment.

    creating a book outside of work for a bible study that contains a chapter on what the bible says about sexual morality can't get you fire.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    plenty of books contain harassing content. you can't be fired over it. more so it if it part of it is religious in nature.
    2nd this guy didn't hand it out to everyone but only to people that he had personal relationships with that probably wanted copy of it.
    If someone who works for me writes a book on "The Awesome David Duke" and brings copies of it to work and distributes it to the other team members, I'm not sure I would be able to terminate him exclusively for that reason, but I'd have to check.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    This was your post:

    if i go to work tomorrow and give some co workers copies of a book I wrote and in the book it says that i hate a gender, race, religion etc or that i think women, blacks or christians are vile dirty people guess what . . . . im getting fired LMAO

    Please cite the HR rule that would enable your employer to fire you for giving your coworkers a copy of a book you wrote that disparages someone
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    Here's part of my HR policy that would probably land under:

    5.0 Key Definitions

    Harassment means any derogatory, abusive, or inflammatory remarks or conduct, based in whole or in part on age, disability status, race, national origin, color, religion, sex, protected veteran status, marital status, sexual orientation, gender identity, pregnancy, breastfeeding or lactation status, citizenship status, or any other class protected by laws that has the purpose or effect of creating an intimidating, hostile, or offensive work environment, or of unreasonably interfering with an employee's work performance or employment opportunities.
    So if I wrote a book, the act of handing it out would fall under conduct, that makes condemning or derogatory remarks about sexual orientations and has the effect of creating a hostile or offensive work enviroment, I would violate my HR policy and be fired. I cannot speak for other companies though.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Prove that someone employed by a governmental organization signed a common hr policy? This is a very reasonable assumption and proof is not required. This is like asking to prove whether the sky is blue...

    I am going to ignore this stupid attempt at an argument from you and and just assume you never had an actual job at this point because that was just asinine.
    way to ignore the rest of it. prove he violated he didn't violate anything.
    however the city violated his religious beliefs. seems like you only want to enforce the rights you agree with and ignore the ones you don't.

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