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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    That begs the question whether the rule his employer relied on in terminating him violated any right guaranteed by the Constitution. Do you think, for example, that state governments, and through them the governments of their municipalities, could prohibit employees from, say, engaging in silent prayer in their break room? Could a government employee who was a Black Muslim be fired for commenting loudly to someone at work that "I think we should get rid of every last damn Jew in this country"?
    For silent prayer probably not. For yelling "we should get rid of every last damn Jew" certainly. That creates a hostile work environment. The fact is, as lot of rights are not given to employees. There are a lot of limitations on what is appropriate at the workplace. The Constitution protects you from the government as a citizen. The guy in the article worked for the government but it was an employer/employee relationship.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That blurb from your handbook is part of the federal rules.

    I think what you're thinking is that the content of his book contained content that would be considered harassing content.
    plenty of books contain harassing content. you can't be fired over it. more so it if it part of it is religious in nature.
    2nd this guy didn't hand it out to everyone but only to people that he had personal relationships with that probably wanted copy of it.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no it is a matter of you distorting what was done to push an agenda.
    you can't fire someone for passing a book out to his friends.

    more so a book that he made for a bible study group at his church on his own time away from work.
    you can't fire someone over their religious beliefs we have laws that prevent that sort of thing.
    I have cited multiple things to you and all you do is whine and insist, do you have an actual argument?

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    For silent prayer probably not. For yelling "we should get rid of every last damn Jew" certainly. That creates a hostile work environment. The fact is, as lot of rights are not given to employees. There are a lot of limitations on what is appropriate at the workplace. The Constitution protects you from the government as a citizen. The guy in the article worked for the government but it was an employer/employee relationship.
    which has nothing to do with what happened. the city screwed up big time and discriminated against his religious beliefs.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    that has nothing to do with religious rights or free speech.
    prove he signed any of these things.

    also I dug a bit further into this. It seems that he made the book for his bible study class. The chapter in question that people are up in arms about
    is on sexual morality in the bible.

    In the same chapter he also mentions sex outside of marriage.
    the whole reason this came up is that someone went and got the book then took it to one of the openly gay council members.

    the people that he passed it out to at the fire station were people that he had a person relationship with.

    this city is in deep trouble if he chooses to pursue a law suit. religion is a protect class and the state just violated it.

    so it seems once again the liberal media doesn't have half the facts that they think they do.
    he was fired for being a Christian and expressing a religious belief outside of work. that is a violation of not only the 1st amendment but
    it is also religious discrimination.
    Prove that someone employed by a governmental organization signed a common hr policy? This is a very reasonable assumption and proof is not required. This is like asking to prove whether the sky is blue...

    I am going to ignore this stupid attempt at an argument from you and and just assume you never had an actual job at this point because that was just asinine.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You keep saying co-worker.

    Wasn't this a BOSS, not a co-worker?
    So I could be fired if I wrote a book that was published and I gave copies of it to my team? Not as far as I know, without an employment agreement specifically prohibiting it.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    If he is working for a government department he shouldn't be advocating *any* point of view while on the clock.
    So you don't think the Mayor advocated a point of view by firing him?
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Agent J didn't mention anything about an employment agreement. Here's what he said:

    if i go to work tomorrow and give some co workers copies of a book I wrote and in the book it says that i hate a gender, race, religion etc or that i think women, blacks or christians are vile dirty people guess what . . . . im getting fired LMAO
    But it has to, the employment agreement is what happened in this case. To Agent J's point though, it is still a fair assessment that the outcome would be as described.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So you don't think the Mayor advocated a point of view by firing him?
    Its possible, sure, but it opens up a can of worms in terms of a lawsuit and it would be incredibly stupid of him. In an organization where I am sure they have access to HR experts and lawyers, he would have likely been strongly advised against running afoul of easy to accommodate employment laws and EEOC regulations. This is basic stuff front line supervisors are expected to adhere to.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I have cited multiple things to you and all you do is whine and insist, do you have an actual argument?
    you have presented your opinion. I have presented facts.

    you can't fire someone over their religious beliefs. this is a protected class.
    which his exactly what happened.

    the book he made outside of work on his own time for a bible study for his church.
    the 1 page that drew critizism was a chapter on sexual mortality. in which the bible is clear on sexual morality.
    in the same chapter he talked about sex outside of marriage and other things the bible says on sexual morality.

    he didn't target just gays.

    he book he passed out he gave to friends that he had a personal relationship with.

    the city violated the law and I hope that he sues them for millions of dollars.

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