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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Odd, I've seen multiple people get in trouble for violating things like nondisclosure agreements (first amendment), government secrets clearance (first amendment), posting signs for local things like bake sales in an employee breakroom (first amendment).

    It seems the courts would disagree with you.
    that has nothing to do with religious rights or free speech.
    prove he signed any of these things.

    also I dug a bit further into this. It seems that he made the book for his bible study class. The chapter in question that people are up in arms about
    is on sexual morality in the bible.

    In the same chapter he also mentions sex outside of marriage.
    the whole reason this came up is that someone went and got the book then took it to one of the openly gay council members.

    the people that he passed it out to at the fire station were people that he had a person relationship with.

    this city is in deep trouble if he chooses to pursue a law suit. religion is a protect class and the state just violated it.

    so it seems once again the liberal media doesn't have half the facts that they think they do.
    he was fired for being a Christian and expressing a religious belief outside of work. that is a violation of not only the 1st amendment but
    it is also religious discrimination.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Fair enough, but I see that compulsion is implicit even if not otherwise stated. Generally when my boss gives me something to read, it means he wants me to read it.
    but if he only passed the book out as gifts to his friends at work, and not comprehensively, then i would gauge that as those texts being gifts rather than compulsory reading
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    This was your post:

    if i go to work tomorrow and give some co workers copies of a book I wrote and in the book it says that i hate a gender, race, religion etc or that i think women, blacks or christians are vile dirty people guess what . . . . im getting fired LMAO

    Please cite the HR rule that would enable your employer to fire you for giving your coworkers a copy of a book you wrote that disparages someone.
    butting in, but here's the one from my employee handbook

    [company] is committed to maintaining a workplace free of harassment and discrimination based on a person's protected status such as sex, race, age, color, religion, disability, national origin, military status, genetic information or sexual orientation. The conduct described below may not in every case be illegal, but is against our policy. The Company promptly investigates and takes appropriate action on reports of such conduct.
    As a [company] associate, you should not harass any person, member, associate, or customer. All associates should be respectful of each other's rights, opinions and beliefs. If you are a victim of improper discrimination or harassment, or observe such conduct whether by another associate or manager, a vendor, or customer, please report it immediately. The Company will take appropriate steps if deliberately false accusations are made.



    Other Harassment
    The Company will not tolerate harassment based on a person's sex, race, age, religion, disability, ancestry, national origin, military status, genetic information or sexual orientation. Examples of such conduct include offensive epithets, slang terms, and jokes about these characteristics.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I probably wouldn't either, but rules are rules. If the organization did not feel the rules were needed, then they wouldn't have been written (at least this is a reasonable assumption). if there is selective enforcement, then this person has a good EEOC case.
    I understand. It is a case by case basis. I don't know if the Atlanta FD has an employee agreement that specifically prohibits employees from bringing in literature that they themselves write, regardless of the content or topic.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but if he only passed the book out as gifts to his friends at work, and not comprehensively, then i would gauge that as those texts being gifts rather than compulsory reading
    like I said, its a matter of interpretation, we are both making assumptions about the context.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but if he only passed the book out as gifts to his friends at work, and not comprehensively, then i would gauge that as those texts being gifts rather than compulsory reading
    the only people that he handed it out to at work were people that he had personal relationships with. he didn't hand it out to everyone.
    the city screwed up big time and I hope he sues them for a major lawsuit.

    other Christian organizations around the city are already planning protests.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    butting in, but here's the one from my employee handbook
    That blurb from your handbook is part of the federal rules.

    I think what you're thinking is that the content of his book contained content that would be considered harassing content.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    like I said, its a matter of interpretation, we are both making assumptions about the context.
    no it is a matter of you distorting what was done to push an agenda.
    you can't fire someone for passing a book out to his friends.

    more so a book that he made for a bible study group at his church on his own time away from work.
    you can't fire someone over their religious beliefs we have laws that prevent that sort of thing.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I still haven't seen where he did it at work and who actually received them. I seriously doubt he would pass them out to people he thought would be offended.

    BTW: the mayor office isn't talking about the details of the investigation.
    We know:

    1. When he was suspended by the city council he was told that he may not handout the book at work or on public property. That appears to be an issue and is likely related to the action taken by the city.

    2. We know employees, Cochran's subordinates complained about the distribution of the books. How many people complained? We don't know. But if he handed books out only to people he thought would not be offended he was obviously wrong. Employees DID in fact complain.

    3. It is standard operating procedure not to discuss this type of thing publicly until an investigation is complete and all factors are taken into consideration. It happens everyday, all the time. It is standard operating procedure when someone is suspended and in many cases when someone is fired.

    Believe it or not the policy of not speaking publicly while the investigation is ongoing is to protect the person being investigated as much as anything. It is a sound policy that works even though it is often difficult for all involved.










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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That blurb from your handbook is part of the federal rules.

    I think what you're thinking is that the content of his book contained content that would be considered harassing content.
    it equates gay sex with beastiality ... that is well within my company's policy at least and i've seen people fired here for less.

    One lady got fired for calling another ugly for instance.

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