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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I wonder how people would feel if this same person was distributing satanic or kkk pamphlets. Would they still cry first amendment?
    Take a look at the thread on a crazy religious lady destroying a satanic display...

    A lot of people are in there defending her actions even though she clearly sought to silence the speech of another group.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i certainly would
    it's freedom of expression that is being denied
    doesn't matter what is being expressed

    now, if that person distributing those pamphlets compelled his subordinate employees to read them and/or discuss them, such that theirs was not a voluntary act, then that person would have intruded on their rights

    but i have yet to see anyone express within this thread what that chief did to warrant termination from his career position

    if anyone abused their authority, it would be those officials who have strong pro LBGT leanings who railroaded this man only because of their own personally held views about sexual orientation
    I think its a matter of interpretation. I see a manager distributing such literature to his subordinates as creating an implicit command to read the material. That is precisely where I see the issue.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    wow sarcasm is totally lost on you isn't it? are you a bot?
    sarcasm is so obvious on the internet, with all of our body language and facial clues to tell us what is happening
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    sarcasm is so obvious on the internet, with all of our body language and facial clues to tell us what is happening
    sarcasm_font.jpg
    I used the phrase scary gay muslims, thats pretty obviously sarcasm.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Handing out religious materials to subordinates in a public position, on the job.
    yes, giving a bible to a co-worker at Christmas time when gift exchanges are common
    terminate that violating employee for daring to bring and disburse religious thought into the work place

    just as we would not think of terminating that co-worker, neither should this chief be fired
    he offered a gift. a compilation of his personal thoughts and beliefs. and gave that publication to his friends at work
    they could have placed it in file 13. used it to fuel the fireplace. lined the parrot cage with its pages. or they could have CHOSEN to read it. maybe even learn what an insufferable dick he is based on his moral positions ... much as i think about quite a few of our fellow forum members after reading their screed. but nothing about reading his book, or even keeping his book, was compulsory. he did nothing wrong by his actions

    now, i DO believe his views - many of them anyway - are wrong. he shows little tolerance himself, which probably explains why so little tolerance is now being extended to him. but our laws are tolerant. and they allow for free expression. i do not want my thoughts to be chilled in the work place because such a wrongful termination can proceed

    and even tho bob blaylock and i are aligned in our objection to this wrongful termination, please recognize that we do NOT oppose it for the same reasons! i find his wanting to retain the chief because he has such hardline religious viewpoints to be the most stupid defense of the man that could possibly be conceived
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I think its a matter of interpretation. I see a manager distributing such literature to his subordinates as creating an implicit command to read the material. That is precisely where I see the issue.
    and if we found that he in any way compelled the reading/discussion of his book in the workplace, i will abdicate my position and adopt yours
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    How about an agreement signed by the employee. And BTW, there are state HR regulations as well just as there are industry specific HR regulations.
    Agent J didn't mention anything about an employment agreement. Here's what he said:

    if i go to work tomorrow and give some co workers copies of a book I wrote and in the book it says that i hate a gender, race, religion etc or that i think women, blacks or christians are vile dirty people guess what . . . . im getting fired LMAO
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and if we found that he in any way compelled the reading/discussion of his book in the workplace, i will abdicate my position and adopt yours
    Fair enough, but I see that compulsion is implicit even if not otherwise stated. Generally when my boss gives me something to read, it means he wants me to read it.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    first nobody was fired for soley "writing a book" or stating "views people disagree with" thats just dishonesty

    and if so id say your company sucks and needs to have its HR department seriously revamp before your company is sued for violating laws and rights. Im also a manager and this is the second time I also do recruiting and have had to do some low level HR being a manager.

    its not "views one disagrees with" or a "book" that was written nobody educated and objective would take that claim seriously

    in fact a friend of mine was fired because he made some joke about me that got out (it was a top ten list) and it was taken to HR by a third party that didnt know they were friendly jokes. I defended him and he was fired anyway because HR said its to much of a liability, while "i" wasn't directly insulted, it was done at work, others could be offended and that creates a hostile work place for them.

    so far based on the INFO WE HAVE, its a direct insults of coworkers and thier own religions, sexual orientations etc which can get someone easily fired for insulting coworkers, verbal assault, verbal discrimination, creating a hostile work environment, employee conduct etc

    are you honestly telling me if i work for your company and come in to work and tell people all fags are dirty sinners and should burn in hell nothing happens? or better yet I hate all jews and all niggers are dirty nothing will happen because im just "expressing a view others disagree with?"

    please stop, unless theres new info that the mayor lied your rewording of what actually happened is not true.
    This was your post:

    if i go to work tomorrow and give some co workers copies of a book I wrote and in the book it says that i hate a gender, race, religion etc or that i think women, blacks or christians are vile dirty people guess what . . . . im getting fired LMAO

    Please cite the HR rule that would enable your employer to fire you for giving your coworkers a copy of a book you wrote that disparages someone.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I used the phrase scary gay muslims, thats pretty obviously sarcasm.
    there is no such thing as obvious sarcasm on the internet
    many of us have a form of autism when reading which inhibits our grasping of it
    i experience it in real life too, when i fail to pick up on things that are obvious clues to others, maybe because i read everything literally
    if i were a woman i would have been a blonde ... probably gonna get in trouble for that comment
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