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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Because HR rules are federal.

    What is the law that enables an employer to terminate an employee for writing a book?
    How about an agreement signed by the employee. And BTW, there are state HR regulations as well just as there are industry specific HR regulations.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by blaxshep View Post
    The publishers and distributors of the Gideon Bible are not going around to people's work places and forcing their religious non-sense on other people.
    You don't seem to have a problem with someone forcing their views on this fire chief. It's ok to force thought onto American citizens, as long as you agree with it? Is that right?
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm a manager of a rather large team of people and have had to terminate employees in the past. I'm quite familiar with the rules I need to follow and I am not aware of any rule that would enable me terminate an employee for writing a book that contains views I disagree with. Please cite the HR law that would enable your employer to terminate you for writing a book.
    first nobody was fired for soley "writing a book" or stating "views people disagree with" thats just dishonesty

    and if so id say your company sucks and needs to have its HR department seriously revamp before your company is sued for violating laws and rights. Im also a manager and this is the second time I also do recruiting and have had to do some low level HR being a manager.

    its not "views one disagrees with" or a "book" that was written nobody educated and objective would take that claim seriously

    in fact a friend of mine was fired because he made some joke about me that got out (it was a top ten list) and it was taken to HR by a third party that didnt know they were friendly jokes. I defended him and he was fired anyway because HR said its to much of a liability, while "i" wasn't directly insulted, it was done at work, others could be offended and that creates a hostile work place for them.

    so far based on the INFO WE HAVE, its a direct insults of coworkers and thier own religions, sexual orientations etc which can get someone easily fired for insulting coworkers, verbal assault, verbal discrimination, creating a hostile work environment, employee conduct etc

    are you honestly telling me if i work for your company and come in to work and tell people all fags are dirty sinners and should burn in hell nothing happens? or better yet I hate all jews and all niggers are dirty nothing will happen because im just "expressing a view others disagree with?"

    please stop, unless theres new info that the mayor lied your rewording of what actually happened is not true.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

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    Nope, the Muslims would simply kill Gays.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I would. I would disagree with the message but I don't see that it's any different. It annoys me when my religious co-workers get religious in discussions with me, but at the same time, I wouldn't go running to HR to complain about it unless it became a burden to me or my life or my staff.

    If someone on his force published a book about Islam, and gave copies to some of the people at work, would you support the termination of that employee?
    I probably wouldn't either, but rules are rules. If the organization did not feel the rules were needed, then they wouldn't have been written (at least this is a reasonable assumption). if there is selective enforcement, then this person has a good EEOC case.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/us...iews.html?_r=0

    ATLANTA — Mayor Kasim Reed announced Tuesday that he had fired the chief of the city’s Fire Rescue Department, Kelvin Cochran, after Mr. Cochran gave workers a religious book he wrote containing passages that condemn homosexuality.

    Mr. Reed had suspended Mr. Cochran for a month without pay in November, opening an investigation into whether Mr. Cochran’s authorship and distribution of the book to workers violated the city’s nondiscrimination policies. That move sparked a debate about religious liberty and freedom of expression: Last month, the 1.4-million member Georgia Baptist Convention began an online petition that called for Mr. Cochran’s reinstatement and suggested his First Amendment rights had been violated.

    The matter also presents a challenge for Mr. Reed, a second-term Democrat who presides over a metropolis whose social mosaic is defined by strong expressions of Christianity and large and politically powerful gay, lesbian, transgender and bisexual groups.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Because HR rules are federal.

    What is the law that enables an employer to terminate an employee for writing a book?
    I can't smoke a cigarette on work property or its immediate termination (i dont smoke, but I still have to abide by the rule). There is no law at any level covering this, but the rule is there because some idiot almost burnt down a building last year.

    Organizations employing people have this sort of discretion. Sexual harassment is another example, technically by telling some coworker i want to **** her isn't a violation of the first amendment, but people sure get fired for it all the time, this book this is no different from sexual harassment as both are cases where someone has a constitutional right to say something but businesses have a right to protect their own work place and to guard against things that would affect morale or productivity.

    This is basic management 101, why are people confused about this?
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I would. I would disagree with the message but I don't see that it's any different. It annoys me when my religious co-workers get religious in discussions with me, but at the same time, I wouldn't go running to HR to complain about it unless it became a burden to me or my life or my staff.

    If someone on his force published a book about Islam, and gave copies to some of the people at work, would you support the termination of that employee?
    You keep saying co-worker.

    Wasn't this a BOSS, not a co-worker?

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and what actions did he take, in his professional capacity, which gave cause for termination
    Handing out religious materials to subordinates in a public position, on the job.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I wonder how people would feel if this same person was distributing satanic or kkk pamphlets. Would they still cry first amendment?
    i certainly would
    it's freedom of expression that is being denied
    doesn't matter what is being expressed

    now, if that person distributing those pamphlets compelled his subordinate employees to read them and/or discuss them, such that theirs was not a voluntary act, then that person would have intruded on their rights

    but i have yet to see anyone express within this thread what that chief did to warrant termination from his career position

    if anyone abused their authority, it would be those officials who have strong pro LBGT leanings who railroaded this man only because of their own personally held views about sexual orientation
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