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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    I just don't know if its right for your boss to be handing out statements condemning your religion dose seems discriminatory
    I still haven't seen where he did it at work and who actually received them. I seriously doubt he would pass them out to people he thought would be offended.

    BTW: the mayor office isn't talking about the details of the investigation.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Actually this action is good. It can be used as a precedent for future incidents. Future incidents such as members of religions such as Islam that are not content to just practice their religion but feel it is very rightful duty to convert everyone around them.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Its all part of the secret muslim gay kennesaw plot I tell's ya!
    Nope, the Muslims would simply kill Gays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Do you have evidence that that is what he was doing here?
    That's what I'm looking for. I'm seeing the use of "forcing religion on subordinates" without any evidence of that being the case. IMO him "forcing" his religion on his subordinates would involve requiring them to pray at work, participate in his church teachings while on the job, requiring them to live outside of work in the lifestyle he demands, requiring them to read religious materials on the job, requiring them to deny service to people he doesn't want served, etc. None of this happened.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It meant exactly what I said. No one is taking away his free speech - as long as he is not representing the city or giving the appearance of representing the city while doing it. Simple as that.

    Put him in uniform and have him proselytize and it is an issue. At that point it can be construed that he represents the City of Atlanta. Allow him to do it at work or in a work related function and the city is in essence giving its approval, at least tacitly, for him to use the bully pulpit. That too is a no, no.



    If his actions took place in uniform and/or at a work, or related event, the very fact that you are saying if no one complains the behavior OK is exactly what would encourage abuse! You are placing the burden on the employee to out themselves. That is often tantamount to professional suicide. The employee should not be placed in the position to begin with.
    I'm confused by your post. I'm not placing burdens on anyone. And I believe this is taking away his right to free speech. No action was required on the part of the people who received a copy of his book. I'm not aware of something that prohibits us from writing about our religious (or in my case, lack of religious) views and sharing them with co-workers. It doesn't say in any article I've read that he expected something in return, or that he imposed his views on people, or that he demanded or expected behavioral changes from these people. So what I see is a man sharing his published religious views with other people. That is, IMO, his First Amendment right.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    i dont really understand how this is an issue, unless theres more to the story this is just common sense

    if i go to work tomorrow and give some co workers copies of a book I wrote and in the book it says that i hate a gender, race, religion etc or that i think women, blacks or christians are vile dirty people guess what . . . . im getting fired LMAO

    and thats not a violation of my religion or free speech in anyway whatsoever lol and saying otherwise is just dishonest

    the chief seems to be a moron that wasnt thinking to clearly BUT like i said maybe theres more to the story maybe im missing something

    I just know what would happened to me if i did the above and i would be fired and rightfully so, so i dont understand why anybody thinks this guy is different
    I'm a manager of a rather large team of people and have had to terminate employees in the past. I'm quite familiar with the rules I need to follow and I am not aware of any rule that would enable me terminate an employee for writing a book that contains views I disagree with. Please cite the HR law that would enable your employer to terminate you for writing a book.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Firing a good man for having written a book upholding decent moral values, in order to placate a whining bunch of immoral perverts, brings discredit on an organization.
    No but distributing it within his organization can be interpreted as representing the position of the organization and that could bring discredit to it. Personally, I think he should have been reprimanded rather than fired, depending, of course, on how well he did his job. The firing could have been a public statement designed to mask other motivations. One simply doesn't know.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm a manager of a rather large team of people and have had to terminate employees in the past. I'm quite familiar with the rules I need to follow and I am not aware of any rule that would enable me terminate an employee for writing a book that contains views I disagree with. Please cite the HR law that would enable your employer to terminate you for writing a book.
    What makes you think that your HR rules apply to everyone outside of your company? Perhaps the better question is why do you think there is any standard in employment agreements?
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I wonder how people would feel if this same person was distributing satanic or kkk pamphlets. Would they still cry first amendment?
    I would. I would disagree with the message but I don't see that it's any different. It annoys me when my religious co-workers get religious in discussions with me, but at the same time, I wouldn't go running to HR to complain about it unless it became a burden to me or my life or my staff.

    If someone on his force published a book about Islam, and gave copies to some of the people at work, would you support the termination of that employee?
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    What makes you think that your HR rules apply to everyone outside of your company? Perhaps the better question is why do you think there is any standard in employment agreements?
    Because HR rules are federal.

    What is the law that enables an employer to terminate an employee for writing a book?
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