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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    so just to be clear: if he was giving out pamphets of pro-athiest ideology you would still support the guy being fired, right?
    It has nothing to do with the viewpoint - it has to do with a person with hiring/firing/promotion/pay authority using that power over subordinates in the workplace to promote any viewpoint about religion - yeah the law is pretty settled on that one.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/us...iews.html?_r=0

    ATLANTA ó Mayor Kasim Reed announced Tuesday that he had fired the chief of the cityís Fire Rescue Department, Kelvin Cochran, after Mr. Cochran gave workers a religious book he wrote containing passages that condemn homosexuality.

    Mr. Reed had suspended Mr. Cochran for a month without pay in November, opening an investigation into whether Mr. Cochranís authorship and distribution of the book to workers violated the cityís nondiscrimination policies. That move sparked a debate about religious liberty and freedom of expression: Last month, the 1.4-million member Georgia Baptist Convention began an online petition that called for Mr. Cochranís reinstatement and suggested his First Amendment rights had been violated.

    The matter also presents a challenge for Mr. Reed, a second-term Democrat who presides over a metropolis whose social mosaic is defined by strong expressions of Christianity and large and politically powerful gay, lesbian, transgender and bisexual groups.

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    Homosexual Agenda strikes again
    I just don't know if its right for your boss to be handing out statements condemning your religion dose seems discriminatory

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what did he do wrong by gifting to coworkers a copy of his publication

    that they received a gift from him did nothing compelling to/against them. they did not have to accept it, nor did they have to read it
    at least from my limited reading of the account
    A supervisor giving out religious material could cause a hostile work environment for the his subordinates who dont hold the same beliefs. I do want to point out that earlier I did say that I dont think this rose to the level of firing him. I think telling him to not hand out his book to his subordinates should have been the proper response by the mayor.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The First Amendment makes no distinction on who is allowed what rights on the basis of who their employers are.
    But the Supeme Court has. The freedom to believe is absolute, but the freedom to act is not absolute

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    sure they would a violation of religious beliefs and free speech is huge.
    They have ruled before...."The right to believe is absolute the right to act is not absolute"

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    I don't think his life should be ruined because he made an ill-advised choice. I'm sure he's a good person and probably a good fire chief. A simple reprimand should have sufficed. Not everything needs to be taken to such extremes.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    i dont really understand how this is an issue, unless theres more to the story this is just common sense

    if i go to work tomorrow and give some co workers copies of a book I wrote and in the book it says that i hate a gender, race, religion etc or that i think women, blacks or christians are vile dirty people guess what . . . . im getting fired LMAO

    and thats not a violation of my religion or free speech in anyway whatsoever lol and saying otherwise is just dishonest

    the chief seems to be a moron that wasnt thinking to clearly BUT like i said maybe theres more to the story maybe im missing something

    I just know what would happened to me if i did the above and i would be fired and rightfully so, so i dont understand why anybody thinks this guy is different
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Really? He agreed to waive his First Amendment rights as a condition of working for the city? Since when does government have the authority to require one to give up their most essential Constitutional rights as a condition of employment?
    According to the story Reed (Atlanta Mayor) said "that such writings were inconsistent with the city’s employment policies and opened an investigation into potential discrimination within the fire department." The ajc article on this states "The mayor said he decided to terminate Cochran not just because the fire chief didn’t consult him before publishing the book, but also spoke out about his suspension despite being told to remain quiet during the investigation into his leadership. What’s more, Reed said he believes Cochran opened up the city to the potential for litigation over future discrimination claims."

    One can only assume that a contract with the city has some sort of ethics clause in it even if written in simplistic fashion, and we can also safely assume that the Fire Chief willingly signed such an agreement. But what we do know is the concepts behind the book put the city in an terrible position if it comes out later that employees under his command were handled differently based on their sexual orientation. At the same time it seems like Cochran disobeyed an order until the investigation was complete. Not saying Cochran engaged in discrimination, not saying it did not happen but the city is right to be concerned about it.

    Also, technically his 1st Amendment rights were not waived. When you work for the government (and the military) you do not give up your rights. However, you also cannot run around and say whatever you want to when ever you want to and expect total impunity. You are contractually obligated to use them with a sense of responsibility. And yes, these types of limitations can be found in government public offices from local to federal, the military, all over the educational field, and in the private sector (namely the corporate environment.) If you signed said agreement then you only have yourself to blame for breaking them.

    And I am sure you know this to be factual but we are here because of the appearance someone'e religious rights were infringed. If you were objective about the entire story it would be more clear that Cochran being fired was entirely his own doing. Now, if Cochran sues the city and more comes out on this story we can change our positions here. Perhaps something to back up that the city did approve the book. Until then, all we have to go on is Cochran doing this to himself based on the information to date.

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    Reed: Atlanta fire chief terminated following book controversy | www.ajc.com
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    I wonder how people would feel if this same person was distributing satanic or kkk pamphlets. Would they still cry first amendment?

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Christian privilege no longer applies and they're bitter.
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