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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    He's an employee on the job. It's not a free speech issue to fire someone for violating policy while on the job.
    and what actions did he take, in his professional capacity, which gave cause for termination
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    Re: Atlanta Fire Chief: I was fired because of my Christian faith

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Two people can be in agreement but it is still inappropriate for a supervisor.
    what was inappropriate about gifting a copy of his publication to coworkers

    now, if he compelled subordinate coworkers to read his work, then that would have been an abuse of his authority
    but there is no indication such abuse is found
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    A boss giving out books to subordinates expressing religious beliefs causes a hostile work environment to his subordinates who don't hold those beliefs.
    what did he do wrong by gifting to coworkers a copy of his publication

    that they received a gift from him did nothing compelling to/against them. they did not have to accept it, nor did they have to read it
    at least from my limited reading of the account
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And those beliefs are hateful, so that's accurate.
    There is nothing “hateful” about calling out evil for what it is.

    “Hate” has become a code word used by the wicked against those who dare to tell the truth.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Haters gotta hate, but they also gotta be punished for it.
    Don't work out, work in.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    There is nothing “hateful” about calling out evil for what it is.

    “Hate” has become a code word used by the wicked against those who dare to tell the truth.
    So espousing discriminatory viewpoints is OK, as long as you find the people in question to be icky.

    If he was handing out anti-Christian propaganda, would you be as dismissive?
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Haters gotta hate, but they also gotta be punished for it.
    So, who gets to decide what opinions are legitimate, that one may be allowed to freely hold and express them, and which opinions are “hate” that one must be punished for holding and expressing?

    And what will you do when the pendulum swings the other way, and it is your own beliefs that are judged to be “hate”, and you who stand to be punished for expressing them?
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Firing him for expressing his religious views violates the constitution. the government can't do it. it also violates his freedom of speech.
    he has a major lawsuit if he chooses to push it.

    PS no one said he was on the clock. he could have been off the clock.
    as the SCOTUS has ruled just because you enter a public domain doesn't not mean you give up your 1st amendment rights. they have ruled on this time and time and time again.
    He handed out his pamphlet to subordinates who complained. Whether he was on the clock makes no difference. He was using the influence of his Govt. office to preach religious dogma. The SC would not rule in his favor in this case.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    So espousing discriminatory viewpoints is OK, as long as you find the people in question to be icky.

    If he was handing out anti-Christian propaganda, would you be as dismissive?
    Where have I been unclear?

    Everyone has the right to hold, and to express, whatever beliefs they will.

    Just because you and those with you in the political wrong-wing are unwilling to tolerate beliefs that you find disagreeable does not mean that those of us on the right share your intolerance.

    That's one of the defining differences between us on the right, and you on the wrong. You on the wrong like to make a point of piously proclaiming yourselves as the “tolerant” side, while at the same time demonstrating an amazing degree of intolerance; while we on the right may not claim to be “tolerant”, but in practice, we demonstrate that we are much more tolerant than those on your side.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    He handed out his pamphlet to subordinates who complained. Whether he was on the clock makes no difference. He was using the influence of his Govt. office to preach religious dogma. The SC would not rule in his favor in this case.
    sure they would a violation of religious beliefs and free speech is huge.

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