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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Only if you “interpret” it to require the exact censorship and suppression that it explicitly prohibits.
    It's not censorship. He's an employee, on "company" time. He can be terminated for wasting it.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Atlanta Fire Chief: I was fired because of my Christian faith

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if i had a good relationship with a co-worker, i would be disappointed if that friendly co-worker chose NOT to share a copy of his work with me. just as i would a musician co-worker who released a musical recording
    You've swapped co-worker for boss, for some reason, and left out the whole public employee thing. So yeah I guess your completely different situation is worth talking about!
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    A fire chief is a public servant and not a lawmaker.
    yes, he is a public servant
    but that servitude to the public does not deprive him of his right to free speech, speaking out on his own behalf, evoking his personal views

    now, show me where he engaged in biased behavior while on the job and i will defect to your position
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes, he is a public servant
    but that servitude to the public does not deprive him of his right to free speech, speaking out on his own behalf, evoking his personal views

    now, show me where he engaged in biased behavior while on the job and i will defect to your position
    He's an employee on the job. It's not a free speech issue to fire someone for violating policy while on the job.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Atlanta Fire Chief: I was fired because of my Christian faith

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if i had a good relationship with a co-worker, i would be disappointed if that friendly co-worker chose NOT to share a copy of his work with me. just as i would a musician co-worker who released a musical recording
    Two people can be in agreement but it is still inappropriate for a supervisor.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    He wasn't fired for "expressing beliefs." He was fired for pushing hateful religious beliefs onto subordinates under cover of authority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No rebuttal, predictable. Next.
    I was pointing out that you're speaking with a forked tongue.

    Where you say, “pushing hateful religious beliefs”, it means exactly the same thing as “expressing beliefs”. You don't like the beliefs that he was expressing, so you characterize it as “pushing hateful religious beliefs” and try to treat it as if the different wording carries a different meaning. You're willfully engaging in doublespeak.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Really?

    The point of the classic “yelling ‘fire’ in a crowded theater” metaphor is that one is not allowed to exercise a right in a manner that creates a clear danger to others.

    What clear danger does a fire chief create by writing a book that stands for decent moral values?
    Nothing about writing it just giving it to subordinates in producing a hostile work environment.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I was pointing out that you're speaking with a forked tongue.

    Where you say, “pushing hateful religious beliefs”, it means exactly the same thing as “expressing beliefs”. You don't like the beliefs that he was expressing, so you characterize it as “pushing hateful religious beliefs” and try to treat it as if the different wording carries a different meaning. You're willfully engaging in doublespeak.
    Everything the boss does carries authority with it. It's pushing.

    And those beliefs are hateful, so that's accurate.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes, he is a public servant
    but that servitude to the public does not deprive him of his right to free speech, speaking out on his own behalf, evoking his personal views

    now, show me where he engaged in biased behavior while on the job and i will defect to your position
    A boss giving out books to subordinates expressing religious beliefs causes a hostile work environment to his subordinates who don't hold those beliefs.

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    Re: Atlanta Fire Chief: I was fired because of my Christian faith

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You've swapped co-worker for boss, for some reason, and left out the whole public employee thing. So yeah I guess your completely different situation is worth talking about!
    possibly you had access to information which was not present in the linked cite within the OP
    nowhere in what i read did the fire chief compel his subordinates to do anything relative to his publication
    he gifted it to co-workers, including the mayor, to whom he was a subordinate
    he may have gifted it to subordinate coworkers
    why would that be problematic
    and for extra credit, why would that rise to the level of being justification for the fire chief's termination
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