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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Our economy will be in a serious fix if we don't allow employers to fire employees who bring discredit to their organizations.
    Firing a good man for having written a book upholding decent moral values, in order to placate a whining bunch of immoral perverts, brings discredit on an organization.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Govt. officials promoting religious views violates the separation of church and state. Why is that so difficult for you? You want a theocracy?
    What if he was a Muslim handing out Jihad pamphlets? Still OK with you?
    Firing him for expressing his religious views violates the constitution. the government can't do it. it also violates his freedom of speech.
    he has a major lawsuit if he chooses to push it.

    PS no one said he was on the clock. he could have been off the clock.
    as the SCOTUS has ruled just because you enter a public domain doesn't not mean you give up your 1st amendment rights. they have ruled on this time and time and time again.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    What if he had someone under his command who was openly cheating on a spouse? It seems that Mr. Cochran's book also made mention of adultery along with homosexuality and quite a few other forms of sexual immorality. Would an adulterer among his subordinates have had valid cause to demand him to be fired, for having expressed disapproval of adultery?
    No. Adulterers have not been granted the official stamp of protected political victim class. No one cares if they are discriminated against.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Firing a good man for having written a book upholding decent moral values, in order to placate a whining bunch of immoral perverts, brings discredit on an organization.
    That is still not what happened.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Of course you wouldn't have a problem with it if he spoke publicly in church about his book while not in uniform. I have no idea what that meant.
    It meant exactly what I said. No one is taking away his free speech - as long as he is not representing the city or giving the appearance of representing the city while doing it. Simple as that.

    Put him in uniform and have him proselytize and it is an issue. At that point it can be construed that he represents the City of Atlanta. Allow him to do it at work or in a work related function and the city is in essence giving its approval, at least tacitly, for him to use the bully pulpit. That too is a no, no.

    And unless someone can demonstrate that he forced his book and/or religion on his subordinates against their will while in uniform, or can show that he in any way discriminated against people in that department, I can't support the idea of terminating him even though I personally find what he said reprehensible.
    If his actions took place in uniform and/or at a work, or related event, the very fact that you are saying if no one complains the behavior OK is exactly what would encourage abuse! You are placing the burden on the employee to out themselves. That is often tantamount to professional suicide. The employee should not be placed in the position to begin with.










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    Re: Atlanta Fire Chief: I was fired because of my Christian faith

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because you mentioned a number of people in your post. "Only a few."

    The number of times he did it doesn't matter. Who he did it to doesn't matter. He's a supervisor and a public servant, it's not appropriate.
    Where, in the First Amendment, does it say that the rights affirmed therein only belong to those who are neither public servants nor in supervisory positions?
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    This is so obvious

    It baffles me that people can't see the issue here
    Same, same me. No religion at work. Not a little bit, not sometimes, not only on break, not my religion, not anyone's religion. Period. How difficult can that be? If you work on the taxpayers nickel no religion at work.










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    Re: Atlanta Fire Chief: I was fired because of my Christian faith

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Restating the question trying to get a rise out of me because you called sick pervert doesnt [sic] change my answer. The existance [sic] of differeing [sic] views does not cause the hostile work enviroment [sic]; it is the stateing [sic] of those views by a supervisor that does. I would also say that the supervisor handing out literature saying why Christianity is wrong about homosexuality would be inapropriate [sic] as well.
    You seem to be ducking the question.

    The matter involves a decent man, of good morals, who wrote a book upholding these morals. The claim is that because there may be some sick perverts working under him, who may find it uncomfortable to work under a leader that they know believes in decent morals, that this is an excuse to fire that leader. The claim to which I was responding wasn't even based on that decent leader treating perverts any differently than other underlings; just the fact that these sick perverts might be uncomfortable working under a leader who upheld the morality that they reject.

    So, I am asking; if the fire chief was a sick homosexual pervert, would any decent, moral people working under him have similar cause to feel uncomfortable, and would their discomfort be just cause to fire him?

    Or does the privilege of having such consideration given to one's “discomfort” only apply to evil people being uncomfortable with working under good people; and not with good people working under evil people?
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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Except that did not happen, his beliefs are not censored. The book is still around and so is his ability to write / speak more about it. He willingly signed an agreement with the city and it looks like he broke the agreement.
    Really? He agreed to waive his First Amendment rights as a condition of working for the city? Since when does government have the authority to require one to give up their most essential Constitutional rights as a condition of employment?
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Atlanta Fire Chief: I was fired because of my Christian faith

    We has similar nonsense a while back with that NASA guy who handed out DVD's of his sermons to workmates among other stuff. He claimed religious discrimination, he was lawfully laid off during downsizing of the mission.
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