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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    As fire chief, Cochran crossed the line when he handed out the book to subordinates at work. His religious view - especially as a chief - are not to be imposed on the people who report to him. He was wrong to hand out religious material at work. NO CAN DO.

    I have no truck with someone in his position writing the book or any book. He has a right to do that. If, however, he presents his views and his book publicly in uniform at his church or other churches or groups he is in essence representing the city. If he hands out religious books at work or while in uniform he is representing the city. The City of Atlanta does not have any official religion.

    Further, the issue is a human resource matter and at this point the details are probably not yet available. At this point the mayor would likely be under legal advisement to discuss the matter in general terms. That is standard procedure.
    Just curious. Are you saying he should have been prohibited from handing out copies of a book he wrote to anyone who works for or with the Fire Department...period? You say "he handed them out at work and in uniform". How do you know he did it while in uniform and at work? That hasn't been reported anywhere.

    Yes, he could have given it to them in the parking lot while wearing jeans. Or in the supermarket. Or at church.
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Can someone point out in the many links on this story from all media outlets where exactly this man was:

    Forcing religion on anyone?
    Advocating points of view while on the clock?
    Discriminating as the fire chief against anyone?

    I'm all for gay rights but I can't see anywhere in this link or others that he did something that warranted him being fired. I have employees who work for me. From everything I read he only gave less than 5 copies of this book to co-workers, and it doesn't say he gave them to anyone while he was "on the clock" and it also says he gave them to these people who are people with whom he has a relationship based on Christianity.

    I disagree with this man's message, but this is a violation of his First Amendment rights as far as I can see, and it certainly doesn't warrant his job termination. Sorry.
    He is EMPLOYED by the CITY of Atlanta. He DISTRIBUTED the book AT WORK to people HE SUPERVISES. You cannot do that.

    "I am wired in even nationally. I am devoutly religious. I equate homosexuality with goat ****ing and baby raping. It is wrong according to my interpretation of my religion. I am handing a book to you, at work, while I am here as your ultimate supervisor."

    Religion can be a contentious subject as this thread clearly demonstrates. Cochran has NO BUSINESS knowing the religions or particular religious practices or religious interpretations of his employees. Cochran has NO BUSINESS knowing about the sexual orientation of his employees or of the family members of employees, and he has NO BUSINESS TO ASSUME that he does. He can believe all he wants and, as far as I am concerned, write all he wants as long as it is not connected in anyway to his work - which, if so, would then effect directly or indirectly people (he wouldn't know whether or which as it is not related to his job) who work for him. As I understand his position, all fire people in the city are (were) ultimately his employees - which he supervised on behalf of the citizens of Atlanta. Not everyone in Atlanta is a hard core bible believing Christian.

    How's that?










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    Re: Atlanta Fire Chief: I was fired because of my Christian faith

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Anti-Christian books that the state employee wrote himself, and handed out to only a few people who he knew or believed shared the same views as he did? Why would that be a bad thing?
    Doesn't matter - religious proselytizing doesn't belong in a government workplace. Period. Separation of church and state, y'know? And if he only handed it out to "only a few people who he knew or believed shared the same views as he did", how, then did it find its way into the public eye?

    As I said above to NP, this wasn't a PC thing - it's a leadership thing. Those who work for someone need to know that particular someone is fair, firm, and impartial - they need to know they can trust him. But by that leader's own words, he puts the LGBT lifestyle down there with pederasty and bestiality.

    And if you don't think that a leader's words matter, look what happened in Russia and in several African nations after the leaders came out claiming how evil and terrible LGBT's are. It's all about the leader. That's why Napoleon said, "There are no bad regiments, only bad colonels."
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    Re: Atlanta Fire Chief: I was fired because of my Christian faith

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Anti-Christian books that the state employee wrote himself, and handed out to only a few people who he knew or believed shared the same views as he did? Why would that be a bad thing?
    Wait, it matters how many people he handed them out to?
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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    As fire chief, Cochran crossed the line when he handed out the book to subordinates at work. His religious view - especially as a chief - are not to be imposed on the people who report to him. He was wrong to hand out religious material at work. NO CAN DO.

    I have no truck with someone in his position writing the book or any book. He has a right to do that. If, however, he presents his views and his book publicly in uniform at his church or other churches or groups he is in essence representing the city. If he hands out religious books at work or while in uniform he is representing the city. The City of Atlanta does not have any official religion.

    Further, the issue is a human resource matter and at this point the details are probably not yet available. At this point the mayor would likely be under legal advisement to discuss the matter in general terms. That is standard procedure.
    Did he really need to be fired over this though? A man who has risen to the ranks of Captain in the fire department should lose his career and have his life destroyed because of something like this? I don't think that is right. I think it is excessive and unfair.

    Note how it is intolerant, extremist liberals who want to destroy this man for his beliefs.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    He is EMPLOYED by the CITY of Atlanta. He DISTRIBUTED the book AT WORK to people HE SUPERVISES. You cannot do that.

    "I am wired in even nationally. I am devoutly religious. I equate homosexuality with goat ****ing and baby raping. It is wrong according to my interpretation of my religion. I am handing a book to you, at work, while I am here as your ultimate supervisor."

    Religion can be a contentious subject as this thread clearly demonstrates. Cochran has NO BUSINESS knowing the religions or particular religious practices or religious interpretations of his employees. Cochran has NO BUSINESS knowing about the sexual orientation of his employees or of the family members of employees, and he has NO BUSINESS TO ASSUME that he does. He can believe all he wants and, as far as I am concerned, write all he wants as long as it is not connected in anyway to his work - which, if so, would then effect directly or indirectly people (he wouldn't know whether or which as it is not related to his job) who work for him. As I understand his position, all fire people in the city are (were) ultimately his employees - which he supervised on behalf of the citizens of Atlanta. Not everyone in Atlanta is a hard core bible believing Christian.

    How's that?
    What on Earth is with the hostile post and the shouting?

    And where did he say he had any "business knowing about the sexual orientation of his employees or their family members"? Are you making things up now?

    And you say he has "no business knowing the religions of his employees". Sorry but there is no law that prohibits his employees from making their religious beliefs known to him or attending the same church as their supervisor. And if you read about this story (which apparently you didn't) you will see that he gave that book to less than 5 people whose religious beliefs were the same as his. And he also gave a copy to the mayor a year ago, and the mayor said he would read it.

    I think you people should read a little more about the story before jumping on the high horses.
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    Re: Atlanta Fire Chief: I was fired because of my Christian faith

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Anti-Christian books that the state employee wrote himself, and handed out to only a few people who he knew or believed shared the same views as he did? Why would that be a bad thing?
    A supervisor giving religious books to subordinates makes a hostile work enviroment for the people who dont agree with his views and shows favoritism to the ones who do.

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    Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    He is EMPLOYED by the CITY of Atlanta. He DISTRIBUTED the book AT WORK to people HE SUPERVISES. You cannot do that.

    "I am wired in even nationally. I am devoutly religious. I equate homosexuality with goat ****ing and baby raping. It is wrong according to my interpretation of my religion. I am handing a book to you, at work, while I am here as your ultimate supervisor."

    Religion can be a contentious subject as this thread clearly demonstrates. Cochran has NO BUSINESS knowing the religions or particular religious practices or religious interpretations of his employees. Cochran has NO BUSINESS knowing about the sexual orientation of his employees or of the family members of employees, and he has NO BUSINESS TO ASSUME that he does. He can believe all he wants and, as far as I am concerned, write all he wants as long as it is not connected in anyway to his work - which, if so, would then effect directly or indirectly people (he wouldn't know whether or which as it is not related to his job) who work for him. As I understand his position, all fire people in the city are (were) ultimately his employees - which he supervised on behalf of the citizens of Atlanta. Not everyone in Atlanta is a hard core bible believing Christian.

    How's that?
    This is so obvious

    It baffles me that people can't see the issue here

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    Re: Atlanta Fire Chief: I was fired because of my Christian faith

    The other thread on this is at ten pages.
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