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Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

US Conservative said:
You are flinging poo as a way to get around facts.

We know who burns those cars, its the whitewashed PC media and lefties alone that have a problem recognizing reality. And I believe I posted a CNN link, are they racist?
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You know who burns all those cars?
 
Somerville said:
What does the picture have to do with the CNN headline? The photo has zero relationship to the situation in France, so why did you post it?

I see a white guy in a hoodie just to the left of the punk kicking the man - that might be an indicator this was not a black vs white crime. On one of the racist websites with the same photo, they cropped it so the white guy wasn't in the scene.
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Here is where the pic comes from.
https://barenakedislam.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/parisriots1.jpg?w=300
A site or similar sites he apparently uses to support hs claims.
 
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Thorgasm said:
Don't strawman me. It isn't Islam's policy either. People twist the religion to suit their own purposes. You want to stop all Muslims and that is xenophobic.
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You should read USAtoday....

"Contrary to popular misconception, Islam does not mean peace but rather means submission to the commands of Allah alone. Therefore, Muslims do not believe in the concept of freedom of expression, as their speech and actions are determined by divine revelation and not based on people's desires.

Although Muslims may not agree about the idea of freedom of expression, even non-Muslims who espouse it say it comes with responsibilities. In an increasingly unstable and insecure world, the potential consequences of insulting the Messenger Muhammad are known to Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Muslims consider the honor of the Prophet Muhammad to be dearer to them than that of their parents or even themselves. To defend it is considered to be an obligation upon them. The strict punishment if found guilty of this crime under sharia (Islamic law) is capital punishment implementable by an Islamic State. This is because the Messenger Muhammad said, "Whoever insults a Prophet kill him."


People know the consequences: Opposing view

Now, I could provide for you many stories in the recent past of groups like ISIS raping, and killing those who refuse to submit to their will, but I am not so sure you'd even read it....Denial is a comfortable place.
 
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j-mac said:
You should read USAtoday....

"Contrary to popular misconception, Islam does not mean peace but rather means submission to the commands of Allah alone. Therefore, Muslims do not believe in the concept of freedom of expression, as their speech and actions are determined by divine revelation and not based on people's desires.

Although Muslims may not agree about the idea of freedom of expression, even non-Muslims who espouse it say it comes with responsibilities. In an increasingly unstable and insecure world, the potential consequences of insulting the Messenger Muhammad are known to Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Muslims consider the honor of the Prophet Muhammad to be dearer to them than that of their parents or even themselves. To defend it is considered to be an obligation upon them. The strict punishment if found guilty of this crime under sharia (Islamic law) is capital punishment implementable by an Islamic State. This is because the Messenger Muhammad said, "Whoever insults a Prophet kill him."


People know the consequences: Opposing view

Now, I could provide for you many stories in the recent past of groups like ISIS raping, and killing those who refuse to submit to their will, but I am not so sure you'd even read it....Denial is a comfortable place.
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And the guy who wrote that piece is a much-criticized radical cleric.
 
Re: Terror Attack In Paris

j-mac said:
And your point?
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Thorgasm said Muslim policy wasn't to "rape, torture, crucify, undermine and destroy." You offered that whacko as a rebuttal, as if he speaks for mainstream Islam.
 
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Kobie said:
Thorgasm said Muslim policy wasn't to "rape, torture, crucify, undermine and destroy." You offered that whacko as a rebuttal, as if he speaks for mainstream Islam.
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He is speaking as an Imam, giving an Imams interpretation of the religion of Islam...One that I am sure the ones beheading, and raping would agree with...

So, now that we've established that the proponents of Islam committing atrocities are radicals, what's your point?
 
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j-mac said:
He is speaking as an Imam, giving an Imams interpretation of the religion of Islam...One that I am sure the ones beheading, and raping would agree with...

So, now that we've established that the proponents of Islam committing atrocities are radicals, what's your point?
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Here's the funny thing about being an imam. It's not like a priest, where one is ordained by central authority. Islam HAS NO central authority. There is no pope, no bishops or cardinals. Pretty much any dickwad can call himself an imam and there's not a lot anyone can do about it.

You made the inference that "rape, torture, crucify, undermine and destroy" is official Muslim policy. The problem with that is that there is no such thing as "official Muslim policy."
 
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Kobie said:
Here's the funny thing about being an imam. It's not like a priest, where one is ordained by central authority. Islam HAS NO central authority. There is no pope, no bishops or cardinals. Pretty much any dickwad can call himself an imam and there's not a lot anyone can do about it.

You made the inference that "rape, torture, crucify, undermine and destroy" is official Muslim policy. The problem with that is that there is no such thing as "official Muslim policy."
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Actually I think there are two books defining Muslim policy....The Koran, and the Hadith
 
j-mac said:
And your point is? What's wrong with this site?
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It is a hate Islam site.

http://www.barenakedislam.com/about/
Islam is NOT a religion of peace, nor does Islam mean peace. Islam means submission.
Most people are simply unaware that Islam is NOT just another religion but a totalitarian political cult-like ideology, which compels its followers into blind obedience, teaches intolerance, brutality and locks all Muslims and non-Muslims in a struggle deriving directly from the 7th century nomadic, predatory, Bedouin culture.
Islam means “submission” to the will of Allah and the teachings as depicted in the Qur’an which include jihad – the genocidal slaughter of infidels by the sword, killing by beheading, intolerance of other religions, as well as forcing submission to Islam. The ultimate goal of jihad is the domination of Islam over the entire world.
 
JANFU said:
It is a hate Islam site.

http://www.barenakedislam.com/about/
Islam is NOT a religion of peace, nor does Islam mean peace. Islam means submission.
Most people are simply unaware that Islam is NOT just another religion but a totalitarian political cult-like ideology, which compels its followers into blind obedience, teaches intolerance, brutality and locks all Muslims and non-Muslims in a struggle deriving directly from the 7th century nomadic, predatory, Bedouin culture.
Islam means “submission” to the will of Allah and the teachings as depicted in the Qur’an which include jihad – the genocidal slaughter of infidels by the sword, killing by beheading, intolerance of other religions, as well as forcing submission to Islam. The ultimate goal of jihad is the domination of Islam over the entire world.
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Hmmmm....Sounds exactly like what Choudry was saying in his OpEd.
 
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j-mac said:
Actually I think there are two books defining Muslim policy....The Koran, and the Hadith
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Both of which are, as has been made abundantly clear for the last several centuries, subject to wildly differing interpretations -- vastly moreso than the Bible. There is no version of, say, the Catholic Church in Islam, where a group of cardinals or something establishes official doctrine. Did you not know this?
 
j-mac said:
Hmmmm....Sounds exactly like what Choudry was saying in his OpEd.
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And the fallacy lies in assuming Choudary speaks for anyone other than himself and the nutjobs who give him credence.
 
j-mac said:
Hmmmm....Sounds exactly like what Choudry was saying in his OpEd.
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You are referring to man Choudry?
And he is an idiot.
 
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Kobie said:
Both of which are, as has been made abundantly clear for the last several centuries, subject to wildly differing interpretations -- vastly moreso than the Bible. There is no version of, say, the Catholic Church in Islam, where a group of cardinals or something establishes official doctrine. Did you not know this?
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They do have a loose reverence for Mufti's, and Mullah's, as well as Qadi's, plus there are theological schools for them just as with Christian religions....But, you are correct in that they do not have the same structure that Christianity does, which IMO is what allows radicals like what we see today....So, pretty convenient isn't it?
 
Kobie said:
And the fallacy lies in assuming Choudary speaks for anyone other than himself and the nutjobs who give him credence.
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I didn't say he "spoke" for anyone, that was originally your strawman. What I did was to point out that he is of the same mindset as those we are fighting against, and of those that attacked the magazine....So, you'd do a lot better if you stopped trying so hard to take me out of context to fit your argument.
 
j-mac said:
Anjem Choudry...And yes, he is detestable....But he is an accurate representation of the enemy we face.
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Of many Muslims, yes, of all Muslims, no.
 
JANFU said:
Of many Muslims, yes, of all Muslims, no.
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Well then, they are going to have to change their structure if they are to be seen as authentic in speaking out against those they say are subverting their religion aren't they? Because as long as Tyqqia is an accepted practice within Islam, then we can't trust a single one of them.
 
j-mac said:
Well then, they are going to have to change their structure if they are to be seen as authentic in speaking out against those they say are subverting their religion aren't they? Because as long as Tyqqia is an accepted practice within Islam, then we can't trust a single one of them.
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Tyqqia?? is what?
 
JANFU said:
Tyqqia?? is what?
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Sorry, I misspelled it....Taqiyya


"Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."

There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them."
 
JANFU said:
It is a hate Islam site.

http://www.barenakedislam.com/about/
Islam is NOT a religion of peace, nor does Islam mean peace. Islam means submission.
Most people are simply unaware that Islam is NOT just another religion but a totalitarian political cult-like ideology, which compels its followers into blind obedience, teaches intolerance, brutality and locks all Muslims and non-Muslims in a struggle deriving directly from the 7th century nomadic, predatory, Bedouin culture.
Islam means “submission” to the will of Allah and the teachings as depicted in the Qur’an which include jihad – the genocidal slaughter of infidels by the sword, killing by beheading, intolerance of other religions, as well as forcing submission to Islam. The ultimate goal of jihad is the domination of Islam over the entire world.
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That site isn't a hate site for posting factual data, do you think the photo was staged? Perhaps because it conflicts with your theoretical views based off of lefty pc dogma?
 
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