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Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

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not my problem every where you find Islam you find this, do not want it, do not need, stop immigration for members of its fate, they have the right to be a Muslim, they do not have the right to come here.

why should innocent people;e be bared from coming hear based on their faith its un American
 
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And now it looks like a car bomb has gone off in front of a synagogue nearby.
REPORT: Sarcelles Synagogue Car Explodes - Business Insider
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edit-looks like it was a mechanical failure. Interesting timing though.
 
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Unfortunate. While I do not condone the attack or defend the actors involved, that this magazine continued to taunt people it knew would be coming after them hardly gives them clean hands in the events. My best to the survivors and sympathies to the family of the fallen officer.

What a particularly vile and disturbed claim - that the magazine's hands are dirty, and thus can't be excused from responsibility for their own murder?

Wow, I know Progressives are foolish, but you're the Captain of that branch of the misguided.
 
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No ... You know how there's a few DP members on the right side of things that see Russia or Iran as "the enemy" and therefore often make nonsense war-hawk posts? How outraged would those posters be if Russia/Iran was putting in an actual effort to continually antagonize us? Such things justify those DP member's biases and encourage them to be reactionary and violent.

What I'd argue is much better is encouraging and supporting a worldwide environment of free press, free speech and open dissent. You don't do that by having conservative publications try to pick a fight with insults and retributions -- that'd probably result in a Holy War -- but by supporting liberal thinkers and policies across the world. There's many progressive voices in the Arab and Islamic worlds willing to speak out, who need the platforms (... the retweets, awards and praise) the West can give them. EG,

"Mrs. Maryam Rajavi, President-elect of the Iranian Resistance, strongly condemned the ruthless terrorist attack on the office of a French magazine in Paris and the killing and injuring of a number of its staff and reporters" ... That's a moderate Muslim opposition leader in Iran. She's not a Westerner. That's important. Her words are a lot more dangerous, and a way more persuasive than any inflammatory/spammy drawings of Muhammad.

if they cant handle some cartoons they don't sound that moderate any 1 who wants to start a holy war over a picture needs to be killed for the good of every one else
 
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And now it looks like a car bomb has gone off in front of a synagogue nearby. Anyone wanna bet that the "religion of peace" is involved?

I saw the picture of the car - frankly it looks more like a standard car fire than a car bomb - perhaps a failed car bomb.
 
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BS. The killer at sandy hook had mental illness, these attackers were almost certainly not. Don't equivocate-they aren't just "crazy", this was planned and they knew what they wanted to do.
Your point is that the attackers in France aren't mentally disturbed.

So they were acting without mental issues? Is mass murder a rational thing to you, US Conservative?

You do not the Islamic world is a nuclear arms race and they will get one by Summer...Assuming they do not get on from Pakistan or North Korea.
Pakistan is far more irrational and unstable than Iran. A plurality of Pakistan's territory -- the North -- is completely controlled by terror groups. There's continuous terror attacks in Islamabad, its capital city. Americans can travel in Iran; that's much more difficult in Pakistan.

It'd be a whole lot safer for the world, actually, if Pakistan's nuclear weapons were given to Iran.
 
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No ... You know how there's a few DP members on the right side of things that see Russia or Iran as "the enemy" and therefore often make nonsense war-hawk posts? How outraged would those posters be if Russia/Iran was putting in an actual effort to continually antagonize us? Such things justify those DP member's biases and encourage them to be reactionary and violent.

What I'd argue is much better is encouraging and supporting a worldwide environment of free press, free speech and open dissent. You don't do that by having conservative publications try to pick a fight with insults and retributions -- that'd probably result in a Holy War -- but by supporting liberal thinkers and policies across the world. There's many progressive voices in the Arab and Islamic worlds willing to speak out, who need the platforms (... the retweets, awards and praise) the West can give them. EG,

"Mrs. Maryam Rajavi, President-elect of the Iranian Resistance, strongly condemned the ruthless terrorist attack on the office of a French magazine in Paris and the killing and injuring of a number of its staff and reporters" ... That's a moderate Muslim opposition leader in Iran. She's not a Westerner. That's important. Her words are a lot more dangerous, and a way more persuasive than any inflammatory/spammy drawings of Muhammad.
If she is Iranian she is most probably Shi'a, so just iow much here words mean is doubtful in terms of reform.
But your point is valid - I feel like spamming, but towards what ends, just because it makes me feel good?
No real good can come from it.

I do not believe the west/other religions can reform the Sunni salafi. It is their fundamentalism that is driving 99% of this.
Maybe 1% tribal or nationalism, but I pick 99% to show the overwhelming need to understand just where this comes from

where to go from here.....??
 
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Islam was founded as a religion of conquest. It was founded around 600 AD, and by 711 AD it was invading Spain, and then France in 719 AD. Everywhere it spread Islam was by the sword. Islam had been at war with the West in the West for over 300 years before the first Crusade was launched. If you want to talk about first causes then wrap your brain around a little history.

Islam is not a religion of peace, and we didn't screw up the Middle East. It has been a mess for as long as history has recorded. We only returned to the Middle East in the first half of the 20th Century because the Middle Eastern barbarians had a habit of backing the bad guys bent on conquering the West.




Mornin' JM. :2wave: That is the one point that constantly is missed. Yet we are blamed for being involved. Despite being asked, begged and pleaded to do so.

Another point would be about the Arabs hijacking the religion from the get go. As Hortar.....The Mother of Ishmael. Was Egyptian.....despite being a slave owned By Abraham and Sarah.

Oh, and Mohammad is not alleged to be God Personified on the Earth. Never was!
 
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if they cant handle some cartoons they don't sound that moderate any 1 who wants to start a holy war over a picture needs to be killed for the good of every one else

Continued violence over trivial and extraneous criticisms of Islam will further alienate Islam from the world. Perhaps that is what Islam needs to kick off a metamorphosis to not tolerate killers in their mosques, to reject hate filled actions and preaching and finally remove themselves from radicals. Yes yes.... this is not ALL of Islam but it sure is more than a few nuts as we see in Syria, Iraq and world wide radicalized Islamic terrorist groups and hate mongers.
 
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I saw the picture of the car - frankly it looks more like a standard car fire than a car bomb - perhaps a failed car bomb.

Well it was reported as a car exploding. But I can see why Paris is on edge right now, and in front of a Synagogue no less.
 
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A family saw their loved one in the police gunned down on a sidewalk because the magazine staff intentionally inflamed tensions instead of showing some responsibility and restraint. Freedoms are meaningless if people do not exercise those rights responsibly. It isn't like they did not know they were feeding hate while hiding behind those police officers forced to protect them. Is your life worth a cartoon being published?

You're equating free speech with yelling "Fire!" and blaming the victims here. I can't agree that the world should appease those who are offended by religious satire. Yes, the magazine was known for making light of the Prophet. What you're saying is that they asked for it--that they dared and invited this attack. I guess they did, but the problem is not what they did; it's how these terrorists responded.
 
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Your point is that the attackers in France aren't mentally disturbed.

So they were acting without mental issues? Is mass murder a rational thing to you, US Conservative?

They probably have no mental issues, they are cogent and knew what they wanted to do. Insanity is not a prerequisite for mass murder. When you attempt to brush this off on mental illness you are diminishing the severity of the act. Dont make that mistake.
 
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Does you culture require that you import millions of people who have values and views that are antithetical and harmful to your, your culture, your future?

I care greatly, so much so I am willing to protect them, see how much freedom will be lost when one of these nut job sets off a nuke in America, but hey as long as you have that warm little feeling of "multiculturalism" and cultural relativism, right?

o **** cultural relativism son

and your warm fuzzy feeling of protecting freedom by banning people on association

its paranoid oppressive and unjust

im guessing ineffective how exactly are you going to protect any one its not like theirs a mandatory im a Muslim tattoo

your worried about people who can nuke us unless we tweak migration law?

your not going to stop extremists your just going to become more like them
 
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Really? So why do you support the continued mass immigration of people that are destroying it?

what mass of Americans is destroying America?
 
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Really? so you are OK with us end mass immigration?

Really? How did we take back Spain from the Moors?

driving out people who try to conquer the land and or impose their religion is ok

doing it to Muslims because their Muslim maybe you could defend century's old Spanish culture that way but not modern western culture

do we all need to become catholic to?
 
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Well you wouldnt have had these radical elements if France and the rest of the West hadnt screwed up their countries of origin in the first place.
Karma? But how to deal with it now? Deport some, if not all, of them?
 
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You might want to study history, then ask me that question again in a few days..

history has a lot to do with why you worry me things like internment camps for the Japanese or people being attacked for being Muslim or looking like they might be Muslim after 9/11

or a good old McCarthy style communist hunt

guilt by association type stuff you know
 
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Well it was reported as a car exploding. But I can see why Paris is on edge right now, and in front of a Synagogue no less.

Mornin' USC. :2wave: Plus the Terrorists are still on the run and have not been captured. Nor found. I am surprised with all the attacks and death threats there was no police protection. Seems the editor has it. Do you think it will take long for them to get out of France. Note the reaction of one who thought it was France's Special Forces too.


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At first I thought it was special forces chasing drug traffickers or something. We weren't expecting this. You would think we were in a movie."

Editor Stephane Charbonnier has received death threats and lives under police protection.

This week's front page featured controversial French author Michel Houellebecq, whose latest book "Soumission", or "Submission," which imagines a France in the near future that is ruled by an Islamic government, came out Wednesday.....snip~

Islamic Terrorists Attack French Magazine That Published Muhammad Cartoons - Kevin Glass
 
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You're equating free speech with yelling "Fire!" and blaming the victims here. I can't agree that the world should appease those who are offended by religious satire. Yes, the magazine was known for making light of the Prophet. What you're saying is that they asked for it--that they dared and invited this attack. I guess they did, but the problem is not what they did; it's how these terrorists responded.

The problem is both. Not everything can be reduced to black hats and white hats like it is some spaghetti western. There is a reason that the site in which you are participating now has special rules for certain sections of the forum, yet still you are here generating traffic despite your implied convictions regarding standing up for freedom of speech. Why is that?
 
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Multi-culturalism failing yet again.

European Politicians did this to their own Countries and citizens.
 
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I would like to add a hopeful note here and point out that the President of Egypt, speaking before a gathering of Muslim leaders in his country, spoke in strong terms about the need for these leaders to lead a revolution within their ranks and Muslim teachings to take back their religion from the extremists.

Egypt's President calls for a 'religious revolution' - CNN.com

Some particularly pointed references:

"It's inconceivable that the thinking that we hold most sacred should cause the entire Islamic world to be a source of anxiety, danger, killing and destruction for the rest of the world. Impossible that this thinking -- and I am not saying the religion -- I am saying this thinking," el-Sisi said.

"This is antagonizing the entire world. It's antagonizing the entire world! Does this mean that 1.6 billion people (Muslims) should want to kill the rest of the world's inhabitants -- that is 7 billion -- so that they themselves may live? Impossible!​"

If only more political leaders in predominantly Muslim countries could be so outspoken and strong in their views, Islamic radicalism could be challenged and defeated from within. Perhaps naive, but hopeful nonetheless.
 
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Christians and Jews? They don't go around murdering cartoonists for mocking them. Muslims? Slaughter anyone who speaks ill of their "god". Muslims are NOT a religion, they are a very dangerous cult.

I strongly disagree here. There can be extremism in all forms of religion, whether it be Muslim, or even Christian. 2 examples here.....

1) In Houston, there is both a Jewish community and a Muslim community. Both communities get along with each other fine, and Muslims have Jewish friends and Jews have Muslim friends. These are not extremists.

2) On the other hand, you do have your Timothy McVeighs, David Koreshes, abortion doctor murderers, those who lynched black people in the South in the 20th Century, and the like, who have claimed to be devout Christians. Of course, we are talking extremists here.

Take any religion to it's extreme, and you will find murder. There is a reason we have less of it than other nations. We have strong laws, and they do work to an extent to keep the nutters from creating mayhem and terror in the USA.

On the other hand, I am not going to blame all of Islam for what extremists do in the name of that religion. If I did, then it would only be fair to blame all of Christianity for the acts of Timothy McVeigh, abortion doctor murderers, those who lynched blacks in the South, and the likes of David Koresh and Jim Jones. They do not represent Christianity any more than the Paris terrorists represent Islam.
 
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