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    re: Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

    Quote Originally Posted by Xaergoth View Post
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    I know its very difficult to make any distinction when looking at a country from outside and far away and make any specific observations. But considering Turkey its very obvious that there are around %10 - 15 population that live by the western standards.

    I am not saying let us immigrate to your countries, I am trying to point out, maybe its also time that west turn their eyes to the situation in Turkey.. Islam is taking over here by the use of democracy and uneducated population. Maybe take some example and be proactive where you live..

    ISIS is being supported by masses, also armed and financed by the government...

    Everything that happens, is explained by conspiracy theories, even the attack on Paris raised some doubts on morons out here, saying its west trying to show Islam is violent.. The Ignorace is unbearable but its a fact... And trying to live through it is a torture don't make the same mistake. And really be careful..
    "Democracy is like a train. We shall get out when we arrive at the station we want." -Erdogan.

    A summary of Islamist mentality.Democracy is only a weapon in Islamists' hands.

    "The rise of political Islam in Turkey: how the West got it wrong." "Our current situation is explained away by Western intellectuals who had nothing but praise for Erdogan ten years ago, and now claim he has transformed into a tyrant.*"

    Wise words from a Turkish MP:
    National Secular Society - The rise of political Islam in Turkey: how the West got it wrong

    Do you how the west got it wrong.In fact he didn't tranform into anything! Islamists were always tyrants, they don't change.Thinking the opposite was very stupid of Europeans.

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    re: Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well God knows these seventh century religious fanatics are uber sensitive and easily offended but responding by murdering over a dozen people is not the response any well-educated civilized person would take.
    How about 18th C Christians?

    from Charlie Hebdo

    84347243_o.jpg (translation) The Catholics change the pope but still no pants

    Jesus28.jpg
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    re: Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    How about 18th C Christians?

    from Charlie Hebdo

    (translation) The Catholics change the pope but still no pants
    And what was the response of Christians? Nothing!

    Christians know and understand that tolerance is the cornerstone of any democracy and, in fact, were most influential in creating the modern democracies. Muslims consider democracy anathema to Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then let's look at the 'truth'. Is it 'right wing politicians' going after the Jewish people or is it Muslims? Is it 'right wing politicians' creating censorship and terrorism? Who is actually closer to the Nazi philosophies? The Islamists or the 'right wing politicians'? If it is only the discredited 'right wing wing politicians' who are speaking out (against constant threat!) against what's happening to their countries who is left to address these problems? Certainly not the people at Charlie Hedbo.

    You also mentioned 'race'. Which 'race' is involved in any of this?

    Certainly knowledge begets truth or we're all just parroting what we prefer to believe rather then what is genuinely out there.
    You are kidding me right? Ever heard the the Le Pen's?

    The Front National quickly removed from its website a video in which Mr Le Pen talked of making an “oven load” of the Jewish singer Patrick Bruel, interpreted as a reference to the furnaces used by the Nazis to dispose of their victims.
    Le Pen is of the opinion that the holocaust is just a detail and has been prosecuted for Holocaust denial.

    And yes, I was talking about extreme right and there are plenty of examples of extreme right wing leaders going after both Muslims and Jews and Blacks and Immigrants, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.etc.

    And yes, again for the censorship from the extreme right because in their world view they are allowed to say whatever the want but their opponents have to be silenced because theirs is an opinion that is unworthy of being voiced.

    Right-wing terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And yes on terrorism too.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    re: Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

    Quote Originally Posted by youngturk View Post
    "Democracy is like a train. We shall get out when we arrive at the station we want." -Erdogan.

    A summary of Islamist mentality.Democracy is only a weapon in Islamists' hands.

    "The rise of political Islam in Turkey: how the West got it wrong." "Our current situation is explained away by Western intellectuals who had nothing but praise for Erdogan ten years ago, and now claim he has transformed into a tyrant.*"

    Wise words from a Turkish MP:
    National Secular Society - The rise of political Islam in Turkey: how the West got it wrong

    Do you how the west got it wrong.In fact he didn't tranform into anything! Islamists were always tyrants, they don't change.Thinking the opposite was very stupid of Europeans.
    It's not just the Europeans who were very stupid. Certainly the US President is the stupidest leader in any democracy today. FLASHBACK: Obama 2012: 'The Future Must Not Belong To Those Who Slander The Prophet of Islam' | Truth Revolt

    The future certainly didn't belong to the employees of Charlie for very much longer.

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    Re: Terror Attack In Paris [W:157]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then let's look at the 'truth'. Is it 'right wing politicians' going after the Jewish people or is it Muslims? Is it 'right wing politicians' creating censorship and terrorism? Who is actually closer to the Nazi philosophies? The Islamists or the 'right wing politicians'? If it is only the discredited 'right wing wing politicians' who are speaking out (against constant threat!) against what's happening to their countries who is left to address these problems? Certainly not the people at Charlie Hedbo.

    You also mentioned 'race'. Which 'race' is involved in any of this?

    Certainly knowledge begets truth or we're all just parroting what we prefer to believe rather then what is genuinely out there.
    Actually, it's the right-wing that is closer to Nazism.
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

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    Re: Terror Attack In Paris [W:157]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    You are kidding me right? Ever heard the the Le Pen's? Le Pen is of the opinion that the holocaust is just a detail and has been prosecuted for Holocaust denial.
    I never claimed ignorance didn't exist but are these people advocating the murder of the Jewish people. burning Mosques and Churches, making it unsafe for them on the streets and in their homes? It is Muslims doing that, not Le Pens.

    And yes, I was talking about extreme right and there are plenty of examples of extreme right wing leaders going after both Muslims and Jews and Blacks and Immigrants, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.etc.
    Then why not mention their names and explain how they are 'going after them'? Is it in any way comparable to the way Muslims are going after them?

    And yes, again for the censorship from the extreme right because in their world view they are allowed to say whatever the want but their opponents have to be silenced because theirs is an opinion that is unworthy of being voiced.
    I'll need some examples of that because anything controversial which makes a European nervous is "extreme right'. They've been conditioned all their lives to believe that.[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Terror Attack In Paris [W:157]

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Actually, it's the right-wing that is closer to Nazism.
    Would you consider the Islamists 'right wing' then? They seem to be supported so often by Leftists that it seems unlikely. In fact anyone who speaks out against the Islamists is called "extreme right wing'.

    Do left wingers fit in anywhere?

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    Re: Terror Attack In Paris [W:157]

    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Terror Attack In Paris [W:157]

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