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    re: Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

    Quote Originally Posted by Xaergoth View Post
    I also live in a Muslim country and most of the time considered 3rd world citizen, have hard time at visas etc.

    I know its very difficult to make any distinction when looking at a country from outside and far away and make any specific observations. But considering Turkey its very obvious that there are around %10 - 15 population that live by the western standards.

    I am not saying let us immigrate to your countries, I am trying to point out, maybe its also time that west turn their eyes to the situation in Turkey.. Islam is taking over here by the use of democracy and uneducated population. Maybe take some example and be proactive where you live..

    ISIS is being supported by masses, also armed and financed by the government...

    Everything that happens, is explained by conspiracy theories, even the attack on Paris raised some doubts on morons out here, saying its west trying to show Islam is violent.. The Ignorace is unbearable but its a fact... And trying to live through it is a torture don't make the same mistake. And really be careful..
    This is chilling. France is going to see more and more of this as it becomes overrun by Islamists. It's even beginning to cede control of its police forces to them.

    French Islamist mini-states grow into problem out of government control - Washington Times

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    re: Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Read your blasphemy statutes.

    In the United States, a law against blasphemy, or a prosecution on that ground, would violate the American Constitution. The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..." While there are no federal laws which forbid "religious vilification" or "religious insult" or "hate speech", some states have blasphemy statutes.
    France isn't part of the United States. The terrorist attack occurred in Paris.

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    re: Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    France isn't part of the United States. The terrorist attack occurred in Paris.
    European hate speech legislation is very different than US. In Europe, racist or genderist garbage constitutes hate speech. Iirc, as does Nazi crap (only in Germany?). In the US, hate speech prosecution requires a specific threat to a specific target (group) and a very real chance of the act being carried out by others. All three of those aspects must be proven for US conviction.

    State blasphemy statues are -literally- meaningless. RDS is attempting false equivocation and apologizing for state tyranny.
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    re: Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Avoid? I can talk bull**** and its freedom of expression.
    Avoid because you have no idea what you're saying.
    And you most certainly "talk bull****".
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    re: Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Freedom of expression does not give you the licence to make a mockery of religion. Charlie Hebdo planted the time bomb and it exploded.
    Wow, that's some serious victim blaming. Charlie shouldn't have worn that dress.

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    Re: Terror Attack In Paris [W:157]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Just because the rightwing thinks are the ones with all the knowledge but that does not make it the truth
    Then let's look at the 'truth'. Is it 'right wing politicians' going after the Jewish people or is it Muslims? Is it 'right wing politicians' creating censorship and terrorism? Who is actually closer to the Nazi philosophies? The Islamists or the 'right wing politicians'? If it is only the discredited 'right wing wing politicians' who are speaking out (against constant threat!) against what's happening to their countries who is left to address these problems? Certainly not the people at Charlie Hedbo.

    You also mentioned 'race'. Which 'race' is involved in any of this?

    Certainly knowledge begets truth or we're all just parroting what we prefer to believe rather then what is genuinely out there.

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    re: Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Freedom of expression does not give you the licence to make a mockery of religion. Charlie Hebdo planted the time bomb and it exploded.
    And feeling offended doesn't give anyone the right to murder. But since backward Muslims seem to feel that murder can resolve philosophical differences I expect more is going to come their way.

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    re: Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This is chilling. France is going to see more and more of this as it becomes overrun by Islamists. It's even beginning to cede control of its police forces to them.

    French Islamist mini-states grow into problem out of government control - Washington Times
    France, as well as the other democracies of the world, must recognize that this is war, and the Islamists themselves are the first to say it. The West, and especially the French, must learn to act accordingly.

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    re: Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The magazine did nothing wrong. Why do you hate free speech and a free press?
    They don't like to look at themselves for what they are. They are, quite naturally and for obvious reasons, very sensitive to ridicule.

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    re: Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    It did nothing wrong under French Law. I would be offended if I am a muslim.
    Well God knows these seventh century religious fanatics are uber sensitive and easily offended but responding by murdering over a dozen people is not the response any well-educated civilized person would take.

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