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    Mmk. As a nation, I'd be glad if you and your state left the union and left us liberals to destroy it on our own. Good luck in your state that is probably in the top 5 worst states in the country.
    While it is true that Alabama suffered under 136 years of democratic rule we have been freed recently. Have you ever been to Huntsville? We have more degreed people h\per per capita than just about everyplace.

    I would be glad too. I propose we take all of the Republican states.
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    Hmmm, so what? The United States sent its official representative in France to the march. You know, the person whose job it is to just that:

    Holder, top US official in Paris for terror talks, not seen at unity march | Fox News
    So, just say it....You're fine with snubbing our allies...Who needs em...Right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, just say it....You're fine with snubbing our allies...Who needs em...Right?
    We snubbed them by sending our top representative in the country to march with them? Who did they send to attend the 9/11 rallies? I hear France sent a phonecall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    We snubbed them by sending our top representative in the country to march with them? Who did they send to attend the 9/11 rallies? I hear France sent a phonecall.

    Why do you dislike our allies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why do you dislike our allies?
    Did you ever answer my question? How many foreign dignitaries showed up next to Bush after 911? Who attended the rallies? How many sent anything other than their condolences via phone calls? C'man, be kind and find the data. Where were our allies during the Boston Bombing? Did they march with us? Did they march with the Dutch after Theo Van Gogh was murdered? Did they march with the Danish after their embassy bombings over the Muslim cartoons? C'man answer honest and you'll realize the US did what every other country has historically done. They sent their condolences and sent their official representative in the country. That you continue to avoid that fact is your problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    While it is true that Alabama suffered under 136 years of democratic rule we have been freed recently. Have you ever been to Huntsville? We have more degreed people h\per per capita than just about everyplace.

    I would be glad too. I propose we take all of the Republican states.
    Do it. My state is a hybrid though, so we stay in the good ole US of A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Good grief, I wanted you to try and play this argument because it's just clear how partisan your stance on this issue is. It's almost like you've never heard of Theo Van Gogh's murder. Here, educate yourself:
    This isn't about Theo Van Gogh. Get relevant.
    Are you going to answer the question now? Or are you going to try and avoid answering it once more? So again, is there a history of US politicians marching after terrorist attacks where free speech is at the centerpoint? The Danish embassy was attacked because of the Mohammed Cartoons. Theo Van Gogh was murdered for his movie Obsession. Where was the US president then? Was he marching?
    You didn't read my previous post, have wandered way off topic, and now appear to be trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This isn't about Theo Van Gogh. Get relevant.
    You claimed there hadn't been any terrorist attacks related to free speech. I showed that to be wrong. Twice. Where were the marches back then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You claimed there hadn't been any terrorist attacks related to free speech. I showed that to be wrong. Twice. Where were the marches back then?
    You're right. There have been attacks from Muslims over the Mohammed cartoons, Van Gogh, and so on down the line. Free speech is threatened in US Universities by Muslims, and everywhere across the free world. And of course there is no free speech in any Muslim dominated countries. I got that wrong.

    BUT 40 world leaders marched arm in arm through the streets of Paris in solidarity with the idea that enough is enough, freedom of speech must be protected, and Muslims should not define who we are.

    You earlier posted about about security concern for BHO and yet Benjamin Netanyahu, a Jewish leader despised by Muslims because of his Jewishness, dared to attend. Even the White House has now admitted that it was a mistake not to send a representative. As well there was already very tight security in place in the area. Holder was right there and could have made an appearance as the US rep.

    You are again correct that I'm partisan because I believe Obama to be the worst President in US history. It is foolish not to recognize this.

    What do you make of this? “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”- Barrack Obama.

    Was it embarrassment that kept him away or is he still concerned about the possibility of criticizing Muslims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You're right. There have been attacks from Muslims over the Mohammed cartoons, Van Gogh, and so on down the line. Free speech is threatened in US Universities by Muslims, and everywhere across the free world. And of course there is no free speech in any Muslim dominated countries. I got that wrong.
    Good, where were the marches then? France gets the same treatment they, and the rest of the world, gave us after 9/11. A phone call and the best of luck fighting terrorism now that they acknowledge it is there. Do you disagree with the US doing what other countries did during America's 9/11?

    You earlier posted about about security concern for BHO and yet Benjamin Netanyahu, a Jewish leader despised by Muslims because of his Jewishness, dared to attend. Even the White House has now admitted that it was a mistake not to send a representative.
    I did no such thing. I have held the position that Obama did the same thing France did during 9/11.

    What do you make of this? “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”- Barrack Obama.
    I've seen the quote in context. Have you? Here it is:

    “Here in the United States, countless publications provoke offense. Like me, the majority of Americans are Christian, and yet we do not ban blasphemy against our most sacred beliefs. As president of our country, and commander in chief of our military, I accept that people are going to call me awful things every day, and I will always defend their right to do so.

    Americans have fought and died around the globe to protect the right of all people to express their views — even views that we profoundly disagree with. We do so not because we support hateful speech, but because our founders understood that without such protections, the capacity of each individual to express their own views and practice their own faith may be threatened.
    We do so because in a diverse society, efforts to restrict speech can quickly become a tool to silence critics and oppress minorities. We do so because, given the power of faith in our lives, and the passion that religious differences can inflame, the strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression, it is more speech — the voices of tolerance that rally against bigotry and blasphemy, and lift up the values of understanding and mutual respect.

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    The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam but to be credible those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated or churches destroyed or the Holocaust that is denied
    Relying on sound bites? I'm shocked Grant, shocked! I mean if you actually read the entire speech, you can see he's saying exactly the opposite of what a chopped out 3 seconds pretends he said.
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