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As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

If you were part of a minority group that didn't have equal rights would you still consider it an unimportant issue that should only be resolved when we have no other problems? I tend to find that people who overly emphasize the "states rights" aspect of SSM actually just don't want it to happen at all and hope their state can squeak by without it. If your state made an unconstitutional law say, that Christians couldn't marry, would you be just as upset if the federal government stepped in and overruled them?

You pose an interesting point. Sure I might be upset. Especially if the government were making laws against a LARGE PERCENTAGE of the population. I might be upset regardless of who they are. And it would probably impact how I vote. But I don't really care what happens in your experience. It has no basis on the way I feel. I don't like the federal government defining marriage. I personally think that marriage shouldn't be the definition used. I think it should be a civil union for all so that ANYONE can get "married" and that all the government does is approve a contract that says "you can have this that and the other."

And sure you will probably argue that that is what marriage is, but NO it isn't. Not in this day. It isn't just a government contract anymore. It has to do with love. In the instance I am discussing something that would expand the contract to anyone and would not imply love. You can have a celebration celebrating your love and the government won't be involved in your bedroom/love life at all. I hate the government.

I also feel the state debate is more logical because it is a power that is granted to the state. So the state should regulate it. And the state has a better understanding of what the people of the state want than the fed does. I hate when laws are made bigger than they should be. A local law should be local. A state law for the state. A federal law for the fed.

But I digress: if this were a state issue it would have passed many many times by now. And it is starting to pass in many states. And maybe our federal elections should be decided on fiscal policies, foreign policies, and other things that are powers granted to the fed. Ya know? The way it is supposed to be?
 
You pose an interesting point. Sure I might be upset. Especially if the government were making laws against a LARGE PERCENTAGE of the population. I might be upset regardless of who they are. And it would probably impact how I vote. But I don't really care what happens in your experience. It has no basis on the way I feel. I don't like the federal government defining marriage. I personally think that marriage shouldn't be the definition used. I think it should be a civil union for all so that ANYONE can get "married" and that all the government does is approve a contract that says "you can have this that and the other."

And sure you will probably argue that that is what marriage is, but NO it isn't. Not in this day. It isn't just a government contract anymore. It has to do with love. In the instance I am discussing something that would expand the contract to anyone and would not imply love. You can have a celebration celebrating your love and the government won't be involved in your bedroom/love life at all. I hate the government.

I also feel the state debate is more logical because it is a power that is granted to the state. So the state should regulate it. And the state has a better understanding of what the people of the state want than the fed does. I hate when laws are made bigger than they should be. A local law should be local. A state law for the state. A federal law for the fed.

But I digress: if this were a state issue it would have passed many many times by now. And it is starting to pass in many states. And maybe our federal elections should be decided on fiscal policies, foreign policies, and other things that are powers granted to the fed. Ya know? The way it is supposed to be?

Marriage can be both a government contract and a personal commitment to each other based on whatever the people wish to make of their marriage. It is stupid to separate the two in verbage though just because some feel that so long as they aren't "legally" sharing the term they can ignore that others that they don't like aren't using it. They are. And it is their right to do so and completely stupid to appease people's feelings about what words should or shouldn't mean, who shouldn't be able to use a word.

You can't force people to vote for others, for any reason. And you will never have elections solely about those things you mentioned, even if all the little stuff we see today got cleared up to the vast majority's satisfaction, because there will always be other stuff to distract people with and that people would like politicians to tackle as well, stuff that is much easier to deal with than fiscal or foreign policies.
 
Marriage can be both a government contract and a personal commitment to each other based on whatever the people wish to make of their marriage. It is stupid to separate the two in verbage though just because some feel that so long as they aren't "legally" sharing the term they can ignore that others that they don't like aren't using it. They are. And it is their right to do so and completely stupid to appease people's feelings about what words should or shouldn't mean, who shouldn't be able to use a word.

You can't force people to vote for others, for any reason. And you will never have elections solely about those things you mentioned, even if all the little stuff we see today got cleared up to the vast majority's satisfaction, because there will always be other stuff to distract people with and that people would like politicians to tackle as well, stuff that is much easier to deal with than fiscal or foreign policies.

It is more than that garbage about "people not liking word's crap."

The fed shouldn't be involved in marriage because you don't get married by the fed. You get married by the state. And you won't disassociate love and marriage. Not now. So get rid of the definition in favor of something more broad and more useful. We aren't getting rid of the words in "verbage." We are simply trashing the current concept, letting it stand on its own the way society views it not ANYWAYS, and then giving a NEW contract in the place of the old that would allow 2 sisters that are 70 years old to sign the contract so they can get the benefits and all that. And you don't have to hurt currently married individuals because you simply redefine the legal aspect of current laws.

The point is that it kills this asinine debate and let's people do as they choose. It creates real equality.
 
It is more than that garbage about "people not liking word's crap."

The fed shouldn't be involved in marriage because you don't get married by the fed. You get married by the state. And you won't disassociate love and marriage. Not now. So get rid of the definition in favor of something more broad and more useful. We aren't getting rid of the words in "verbage." We are simply trashing the current concept, letting it stand on its own the way society views it not ANYWAYS, and then giving a NEW contract in the place of the old that would allow 2 sisters that are 70 years old to sign the contract so they can get the benefits and all that. And you don't have to hurt currently married individuals because you simply redefine the legal aspect of current laws.

The point is that it kills this asinine debate and let's people do as they choose. It creates real equality.

The fed is who recognizes most spousal relationships, hell most legal kinships to begin with. That is where they are involved, in that recognition.

As for this particular case, state bans on same sex marriages, the federal government is involved only because such bans violate the US Constitution, so that involves the Supreme Court.

Changing the terms in no way changes anything, and in fact would only complicate things further and cost more money to do. We have marriages, they work just fine.

2 old sisters don't need a spousal kinship because they already have a legal kinship of being sisters, which is much of the benefit of becoming legal spouses. No one is being hurt here. I'm in an opposite sex marriage and I guarantee you that my marriage is not hurt in any way by other people getting married. Hell, even if we did allow sisters and brothers to marry it doesn't actually harm my marriage unless my marriage is based around crap to begin with, which still puts it as my issues harming my marriage, not those couples being allowed to use the term marriage for their legal relationships.
 
1.) ahhh i see where your mistake is, you think equal rights is about "who someone should or shouldn't have sex " thats no even close, You would change your tune if this was an equal rights issue for men and men werent allowed to work, then the economy wouldn't matter much. You viewing this as a non issue for yourself is the problem. ALso we arent facing "ruin" lol
The issue is denying people equal rights greatly effects thier own household financially.
2.) actually its the opposite, this factually cant be solved on a state level because the state has no power to solve it
3.) nobody is fighting the fed except the states who are trying to make it ILLEGAL. you have it backwards.
4.) again another huge mistake, equal rights effects us ALL. You shallow and illogical vision of the economy would just be like anybody that isnt suffering money wise simply not caring, thats not to smart.

1) you don't get married by the U.S. Government.

2) you get married by the state.

3) the state should define the law.

4) Currently marriage is associated with love. Any argument to the contrary is stupid. It makes no sense because everyone knows this. So the logical thing is to simply not let the government continue to fight this concept. Redefine the contract more broadly, and rename the contract so that it applies to a broader scope of people.

And you kill any further debate on this topic.

5) Your mistake is to assume I should care about this issue. Especially since the states are allowing gay marriage.
 
The fed is who recognizes most spousal relationships, hell most legal kinships to begin with. That is where they are involved, in that recognition.

As for this particular case, state bans on same sex marriages, the federal government is involved only because such bans violate the US Constitution, so that involves the Supreme Court.

Changing the terms in no way changes anything, and in fact would only complicate things further and cost more money to do. We have marriages, they work just fine.

2 old sisters don't need a spousal kinship because they already have a legal kinship of being sisters, which is much of the benefit of becoming legal spouses. No one is being hurt here. I'm in an opposite sex marriage and I guarantee you that my marriage is not hurt in any way by other people getting married. Hell, even if we did allow sisters and brothers to marry it doesn't actually harm my marriage unless my marriage is based around crap to begin with, which still puts it as my issues harming my marriage, not those couples being allowed to use the term marriage for their legal relationships.

You get certain rights. Certain tax benefits. That is the point. You don't get those as sisters. Expand the definition. Then just call it something different. You kill the debate. And you give multiple people the right to have a civil union that is recognized by the government. And you don't have to fight the public notion what a marriage is.

Btw please don't try that haggard line of "well marriage is just a contract" because you know darn well when you picture people as married you assume that is a romantic thing.
 
1) you don't get married by the U.S. Government.

2) you get married by the state.

3) the state should define the law.

4) Currently marriage is associated with love. Any argument to the contrary is stupid. It makes no sense because everyone knows this. So the logical thing is to simply not let the government continue to fight this concept. Redefine the contract more broadly, and rename the contract so that it applies to a broader scope of people.

And you kill any further debate on this topic.

5) Your mistake is to assume I should care about this issue. Especially since the states are allowing gay marriage.

There is absolutely no reason to do anything you suggest. Marriage works just fine as it is, recognized by many people, since it establishes as legal kinship. That is its purpose. What part of that do you people not understand? It doesn't matter if the majority of people don't approve of others using that word. And yes, that is the only reason anyone would suggest changing the term to something else. Because it is a stupid suggestion that does absolutely nothing to fix any problems. There is absolutely nothing about changing a word to describe a contract that sets up a legal kinship that clears up problems that we currently have concerning recognition of that kinship. It only works to cost everyone a lot more money and appease a few people while it pisses off even more.
 
You get certain rights. Certain tax benefits. That is the point. You don't get those as sisters. Expand the definition. Then just call it something different. You kill the debate. And you give multiple people the right to have a civil union that is recognized by the government. And you don't have to fight the public notion what a marriage is.

Btw please don't try that haggard line of "well marriage is just a contract" because you know darn well when you picture people as married you assume that is a romantic thing.

Actually, you get those some of those things as sisters. Did you not know that you can claim your sister as your dependent? But overall, it is 50/50 if you as a spouse receive better tax benefits than others, particularly someone you could claim as a dependent (depending on their income). And most of the reason for those benefits are the benefits that a couple in a relationship bring to society, not on merely providing that benefit to the couple. While it is given to older people who marry too, it is meant to encourage younger people to marry and start lives together in which they will share expenses. It is done for a purpose, otherwise they would give those benefits to other legal relations.

The point is that a spousal relationship is different than other kinships. That difference is in their relationship.

I don't have to fight any perceived public opinion/notion on marriage now. Those few that are having a cow are wrong. They have no right to define marriage exclusively as they see fit, not legally. In their personal lives, they are free to think of marriage however they wish. Can't force that belief on others though, not to restrict them.

Please show me where I've said "marriage is just a contract". I haven't said that in this debate for sure. It is more than a contract but it also can easily include same sex couples, no matter what certain people believe.
 
1) you don't get married by the U.S. Government.

2) you get married by the state.

3) the state should define the law.

4) Currently marriage is associated with love. Any argument to the contrary is stupid. It makes no sense because everyone knows this. So the logical thing is to simply not let the government continue to fight this concept. Redefine the contract more broadly, and rename the contract so that it applies to a broader scope of people.

And you kill any further debate on this topic.

5) Your mistake is to assume I should care about this issue. Especially since the states are allowing gay marriage.

1.) who said you did? but you do have the right to get married and the us government grants protections and rights on that contract
2.) yes they do SOME f the paper work but they can not deny you your right because that violate the constitution
3.) they can as long as they dont take the right totally away
4.) so then the simpl solution is for the state to stop trampling on peoples rights i agree
5.) every american that cares bout the constitution, freedom and rights should care about equal rights, but of course you are free not to, thats your choice lol
 
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