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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    thanks for proving to everybody how severely uneducated you are about this particular issue
    not uneducated at all. I am simply using the same argument you spout for gays for polygamist, because they are starting to push for the same thing.

    the argument you are trying to use is not the argument for gay marriage . . . your analogy and post completely fails and is not analogous.
    wrong it is the same argument equal rights. the equal right to marry. this is the same point that polygamists will bring up.

    But for the record i completely support polygamist if they want to fight for a new right to marry. As long as it follows the current rules, consenting adults. They only have one hurdle and its probably easily fixed.

    theres no precedence set for the base contract. Like for example if its 1 woman and 3 men what happens if one of the men die? where do the kids and property go? how is it divided etc etc but the easy solution is a basic contract and then the rest is decided by the parties involved
    at least you are consistent you will and have turned marriage into basically anything that someone wants to define it as.

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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    1.)not uneducated at all. I am simply using the same argument you spout for gays for polygamist, because they are starting to push for the same thing.
    2.)wrong it is the same argument equal rights. the equal right to marry. this is the same point that polygamists will bring up.
    3.)at least you are consistent you will and have turned marriage into basically anything that someone wants to define it as.
    1.) on THIS issue you severely are, sorry its not the same argument, thank you for proving my point
    2.) false again, repeating your fallacy doesnt make it true lol thank you for doubling down and again proving my point that you have no understanding of rights, law, the constitution and this issue
    3.) false again
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

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    That's interesting. I had no idea people who thought that states had rights or powers were hate-filled bigots. What an interesting sentiment from a "libertarian".
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    This is untrue. Others have rights as well.
    Have you ever looked up why Goldwater voted against the CRA?
    This is not about state's rights, it's about basic human rights. The government can not play favorites, denying rights to "sinners" and granting rights to others. It is completely in the power of the federal government to step in. If Mississippi decided black people shouldn't vote, the feds would step in there as well.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Just not sure I can go along with that under existing conditions where government gets to define and license marriage in a manner they want. That is how we got into this mess of marriage equality by government saying what does and does not qualify. Now I have little choice but to support marriage equality, but I'd rather just see government out of the mix entirely. It comes with too much control.
    Fair enough.

    I dont like it much myself.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    This is not about state's rights, it's about basic human rights. The government can not play favorites, denying rights to "sinners" and granting rights to others. It is completely in the power of the federal government to step in. If Mississippi decided black people shouldn't vote, the feds would step in there as well.
    it amazes me than anybody thinks this is a states rights issue . . i think its just an act, and excuse because nobody could HONESTLY believe that
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    This is not about state's rights, it's about basic human rights. The government can not play favorites, denying rights to "sinners" and granting rights to others. It is completely in the power of the federal government to step in. If Mississippi decided black people shouldn't vote, the feds would step in there as well.
    I disagree that it's basic human rights. No one is preventing anyone from living together or doing something. What I see as discriminatory is the govt is choosing to accord benefits and legal privileges on some couples, and not on others, based on sexual orientation. To me it's more a civil rights issue. YMMV.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Ok, show me where government involvement in marriage is not about control.
    The protection of children in a union? The ability to visit in a hospital? That's a release of a restriction, not a denial. And it's usually based on the hospital's rules and the govt provides a classification that allows for more privilege, not less.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The protection of children in a union? The ability to visit in a hospital? That's a release of a restriction, not a denial. And it's usually based on the hospital's rules and the govt provides a classification that allows for more privilege, not less.
    interesting?
    you dont see treating a person, a human, different based on sexual orientation as a violation of human rights?
    while human rights are subjective and not everybody believes in them i find that odd but to each thier own

    also most human rights orgs disagree. Most also think marriage itself is a human rights. I'm pretty sure its listed in the Universal deceleration of human rights also.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    interesting?
    you dont see treating a person, a human, different based on sexual orientation as a violation of human rights?
    while human rights are subjective and not everybody believes in them i find that odd but to each thier own

    also most human rights orgs disagree. Most also think marriage itself is a human rights. I'm pretty sure its listed in the Universal deceleration of human rights also.
    They are treated differently under the law, to me that is civil rights.

    They are not restricted in their ability to 'be gay', to live together, etc. They are not "legally" persecuted for that. (except perhaps the few places left where sodomy is still illegal). They are being denied things that are not basic human rights...benefits, privileges, some legal protections based on a union.

    For example: living with someone of your choice - human right. Legal recognition of living with someone - civil right.

    As I told him, YMMV.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    interesting?
    you dont see treating a person, a human, different based on sexual orientation as a violation of human rights?
    while human rights are subjective and not everybody believes in them i find that odd but to each thier own

    also most human rights orgs disagree. Most also think marriage itself is a human rights. I'm pretty sure its listed in the Universal deceleration of human rights also.
    I definitely dont agree that marriage is a basic human right. "Legal" marriage does not prevent anyone from exercising the physical and emotional and traditional aspects of marriage. Not in the US. I dont really care what the Universal dec says either. It's nice, but I dont agree.

    Personally I think it cheapens 'human rights' to do so. Just ask anyone sitting in a cell for years without access to a legal defense.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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