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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Because it is accurate, you cannot get government into the mix without control. Just fact.
    again that has nothing to do with your failed straw man lol
    if you disagree simply qoute me saying " marriage is all about finances and outside controls" ill wait lol
    your post completely fails and facts win again
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So why wont the gay "rights" supporters put the issue to a national vote? If your contention of the nation being behind the idea is true. When it is put on a ballot, it fails.
    they sort of did. it happened in multiple states across the nation and many people supported and defined marriage as between 1 man and 1 women.

    what is going to be interesting to see is how many of these pro-gay supports become pro-polygamist supporters when polygamists start pushing for the same rights.
    since marriage now has no definition. they can very easily win the same lawsuits with the same arguments.

    we will see who is intolerant then.

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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    way to not read my post. your intolerance of other peoples views is the same thing you are railing about. guess what people like you will die out as well.
    you rail against intolerance but ignore your own. hence why I said. when you look into the abyss the abyss looks back.

    actually it is you that needs to examine yourself before railing on other people about intolerance.
    You can have any view you want but forcing them on others is intolerant by definition. What views am I forcing on you?

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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    they sort of did. it happened in multiple states across the nation and many people supported and defined marriage as between 1 man and 1 women.

    what is going to be interesting to see is how many of these pro-gay supports become pro-polygamist supporters when polygamists start pushing for the same rights.
    since marriage now has no definition. they can very easily win the same lawsuits with the same arguments.

    we will see who is intolerant then.
    Marriage certainly does have a definition. It is a union between 2 people that love one another. Oh the horror.

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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Then what is government involvement in marriage about?
    Lots of things. But to just throw your hands up and call all "contracts, laws, protections" a means of "control" is just absurd.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    1.)So why wont the gay "rights" supporters put the issue to a national vote?
    2.) If your contention of the nation being behind the idea is true.
    3.) When it is put on a ballot, it fails.
    1.) LOL why would anybody who values the constitution do that, thats not done because it violates the constitution.
    2.) thats not "my" contention thats just a fact the majority support it
    3.) Actually it has won 3 times but again that doesnt matter, but that just shows what you know about this topic
    90+% of the country was against interracial marriage but that didnt mean it didn't violate rights to stop it, same with womans rights etc etc
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    No they wont be. Two men as a couple has been railed against since Christ times. Don't get your hopes up of total acceptance.
    2.)And no, this is not akin to the civil rights movement. Nothing even close to the same.
    1.) "acceptance" is necessary, equal rights will be just fine and equal rights is winning
    2.) actually it is, many of the court cases even refer to civil rights and civil rights cases
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So why wont the gay "rights" supporters put the issue to a national vote? If your contention of the nation being behind the idea is true.
    Please provide the Constitutional reference and/or United States Code reference where anything is "put to a national vote" beyond the election of the President and Vice-President (and even then the votes are conducted at the state level).

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    When it is put on a ballot, it fails.

    Actually the last four times the issued appeared on the General Election ballot (November 2012) the pro-Marriage Equality side won. (IIRC - Washington, Maryland, Maine, and Minnesota).


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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So why wont the gay "rights" supporters put the issue to a national vote? If your contention of the nation being behind the idea is true. When it is put on a ballot, it fails.
    LOL....it would easily win on a national ballot. That aside, civil rights should never be put to a "popular vote"....this is one of the main reasons we have a Constitution.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Not necessarily, the whole purpose of "contract, laws, protections, etc. (government)" is about control. To ensure an outcome that I contend the government has no Constitutional authority to enforce upon the populace. It has nothing to do with free to not have a legal marriage or not, it has to do with an unequal determination that also the government has no Constitutional authority to make. I have not missed anything, nor engaging in a Strawman (you may want to look up what that means.) By definition government interference into what is "legal marriage" for the purpose of protecting something is control.
    I'll be honest that I used to think this pretty much.

    But I do think that it's in society's best interests to have some contract that does cover all that marriage does for the protection of children, assets, inheritance, and many of the other things included in the marriage contract. With that said, it does not necessarily follow that the govt (state or fed) must offer benefits and tax options based on that contract.

    People in the US are free to live together in any combinations they choose. If they want the legal benefits and privileges that come with marriage then they can (and should be allowed to) marry.

    However I wouldnt care if people 'married' without a marriage license. That is a personal thing for every single couple. Perhaps all should just have to get the legal recognition thru the govt if that is what they desire? I dont care what you call it. Half of the objections to gay marriage is the use of the word 'marriage.' Stupid IMO.
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