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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The fed is who recognizes most spousal relationships, hell most legal kinships to begin with. That is where they are involved, in that recognition.

    As for this particular case, state bans on same sex marriages, the federal government is involved only because such bans violate the US Constitution, so that involves the Supreme Court.

    Changing the terms in no way changes anything, and in fact would only complicate things further and cost more money to do. We have marriages, they work just fine.

    2 old sisters don't need a spousal kinship because they already have a legal kinship of being sisters, which is much of the benefit of becoming legal spouses. No one is being hurt here. I'm in an opposite sex marriage and I guarantee you that my marriage is not hurt in any way by other people getting married. Hell, even if we did allow sisters and brothers to marry it doesn't actually harm my marriage unless my marriage is based around crap to begin with, which still puts it as my issues harming my marriage, not those couples being allowed to use the term marriage for their legal relationships.
    You get certain rights. Certain tax benefits. That is the point. You don't get those as sisters. Expand the definition. Then just call it something different. You kill the debate. And you give multiple people the right to have a civil union that is recognized by the government. And you don't have to fight the public notion what a marriage is.

    Btw please don't try that haggard line of "well marriage is just a contract" because you know darn well when you picture people as married you assume that is a romantic thing.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    1) you don't get married by the U.S. Government.

    2) you get married by the state.

    3) the state should define the law.

    4) Currently marriage is associated with love. Any argument to the contrary is stupid. It makes no sense because everyone knows this. So the logical thing is to simply not let the government continue to fight this concept. Redefine the contract more broadly, and rename the contract so that it applies to a broader scope of people.

    And you kill any further debate on this topic.

    5) Your mistake is to assume I should care about this issue. Especially since the states are allowing gay marriage.
    There is absolutely no reason to do anything you suggest. Marriage works just fine as it is, recognized by many people, since it establishes as legal kinship. That is its purpose. What part of that do you people not understand? It doesn't matter if the majority of people don't approve of others using that word. And yes, that is the only reason anyone would suggest changing the term to something else. Because it is a stupid suggestion that does absolutely nothing to fix any problems. There is absolutely nothing about changing a word to describe a contract that sets up a legal kinship that clears up problems that we currently have concerning recognition of that kinship. It only works to cost everyone a lot more money and appease a few people while it pisses off even more.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    You get certain rights. Certain tax benefits. That is the point. You don't get those as sisters. Expand the definition. Then just call it something different. You kill the debate. And you give multiple people the right to have a civil union that is recognized by the government. And you don't have to fight the public notion what a marriage is.

    Btw please don't try that haggard line of "well marriage is just a contract" because you know darn well when you picture people as married you assume that is a romantic thing.
    Actually, you get those some of those things as sisters. Did you not know that you can claim your sister as your dependent? But overall, it is 50/50 if you as a spouse receive better tax benefits than others, particularly someone you could claim as a dependent (depending on their income). And most of the reason for those benefits are the benefits that a couple in a relationship bring to society, not on merely providing that benefit to the couple. While it is given to older people who marry too, it is meant to encourage younger people to marry and start lives together in which they will share expenses. It is done for a purpose, otherwise they would give those benefits to other legal relations.

    The point is that a spousal relationship is different than other kinships. That difference is in their relationship.

    I don't have to fight any perceived public opinion/notion on marriage now. Those few that are having a cow are wrong. They have no right to define marriage exclusively as they see fit, not legally. In their personal lives, they are free to think of marriage however they wish. Can't force that belief on others though, not to restrict them.

    Please show me where I've said "marriage is just a contract". I haven't said that in this debate for sure. It is more than a contract but it also can easily include same sex couples, no matter what certain people believe.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    1) you don't get married by the U.S. Government.

    2) you get married by the state.

    3) the state should define the law.

    4) Currently marriage is associated with love. Any argument to the contrary is stupid. It makes no sense because everyone knows this. So the logical thing is to simply not let the government continue to fight this concept. Redefine the contract more broadly, and rename the contract so that it applies to a broader scope of people.

    And you kill any further debate on this topic.

    5) Your mistake is to assume I should care about this issue. Especially since the states are allowing gay marriage.
    1.) who said you did? but you do have the right to get married and the us government grants protections and rights on that contract
    2.) yes they do SOME f the paper work but they can not deny you your right because that violate the constitution
    3.) they can as long as they dont take the right totally away
    4.) so then the simpl solution is for the state to stop trampling on peoples rights i agree
    5.) every american that cares bout the constitution, freedom and rights should care about equal rights, but of course you are free not to, thats your choice lol
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