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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

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    Dodge what? Why do you need such government authority in personal relationships?
    the question you NEVER answered and dodged, ill ask again and i bet you dodge it again
    you said "I'd rather just see government out of the mix entirely."

    Im asking you how would you do that? what system would you put in place to do all the things a marriage contract does and do it without involving government?
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    the question you NEVER answered and dodged, ill ask again and i bet you dodge it again
    you said "I'd rather just see government out of the mix entirely."

    Im asking you how would you do that? what system would you put in place to do all the things a marriage contract does and do it without involving government?
    Exactly what it says, I would rather government have no say so in marriage. Removing it is elementary. And I *still* would rather see nothing put in its place. I do not think the government should be involved in the definition, the licensing of, or categorization of personal relationships. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    the question you NEVER answered and dodged, ill ask again and i bet you dodge it again
    you said "I'd rather just see government out of the mix entirely."

    Im asking you how would you do that? what system would you put in place to do all the things a marriage contract does and do it without involving government?
    Make marriage contract based between the two people (or more) involved. Remove incentives and tax breaks for marriage and remove legal requirements for only government recognized marriage in healthcare cases. I'm sure it's much more complicated but that's where I'd start.

    One down side is contract lawyers would have a job boom.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Exactly what it says, I would rather government have no say so in marriage. Removing it is elementary. And I *still* would rather see nothing put in its place. I do not think the government should be involved in the definition, the licensing of, or categorization of personal relationships. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
    another dodge, i understand what you WANT, im asking you how you do it, why is that so hard for you to understand and why do you keep dishonestly dodging the question?

    if you tel me you want to get rid of all guns and i ask how and you tell me "i dont think we need them they are dangerous" that doesnt answer HOW lol

    so i waill ask you AGAIN and i bet you dodge it again
    you said "I'd rather just see government out of the mix entirely."

    Im asking you how would you do that? what system would you put in place to do all the things a marriage contract does and do it without involving government?
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Make marriage contract based between the two people (or more) involved. Remove incentives and tax breaks for marriage and remove legal requirements for only government recognized marriage in healthcare cases. I'm sure it's much more complicated but that's where I'd start.

    One down side is contract lawyers would have a job boom.
    contract = government is involved
    and there are about 1200 things a marriage contract does, i dont know how many are tax breaks but subtract those out and how do you do the rest with no government
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    contract = government is involved
    Not in the US it doesn't. I can have a contract with another person without government involvement. Just me, the lawyers and the other person. ENFORCEMENT of the terms of the contract if taken to court include the government - in the form of a judicial court. Other than that the government isn't involved.

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    and there are about 1200 things a marriage contract does, i dont know how many are tax breaks but subtract those out and how do you do the rest with no government
    Well then there are 1200 boxes to check to remove government.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    another dodge, i understand what you WANT, im asking you how you do it, why is that so hard for you to understand and why do you keep dishonestly dodging the question?

    if you tel me you want to get rid of all guns and i ask how and you tell me "i dont think we need them they are dangerous" that doesnt answer HOW lol

    so i waill ask you AGAIN and i bet you dodge it again
    you said "I'd rather just see government out of the mix entirely."

    Im asking you how would you do that? what system would you put in place to do all the things a marriage contract does and do it without involving government?
    Because the process would take time and effort. It would have to start with looking at government legislation on the books thus far (local on up) in how relationships are defined and why. The only place to start is with elements the government uses for whatever reason. Tax code, healthcare, etc.

    You asking about it is starting to sound like the real dodge here. Removal does not mean replacement.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    I'd just like to add something to the discussion since I'm new here. A lot of people consider me right-leaning socially. I'm actually the opposite. I joined the Army during a time of two wars not because I wanted to fight, but because I am very passionate about equal and civil rights for all law abiding, tax paying citizens. When I see people being oppressed, it kills me.

    I think gay marriage is a civil right and fully support it. I think the argument "well if I can marry another guy, can I marry a goat???" is ridiculous. I look forward to the day gay marriage is legalized federally.

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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    You trying to tell me that any consenting adult can marry any other consenting adult, and that they can adopt in all 50 states in the Union, or even can ensure spousal rights across the board if one passes? You sure you want to make that argument?
    You sure you want to keep attacking straw men?
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Well then there are 1200 boxes to check to remove government.
    So when you pass away, who inherits your stuff?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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