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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    and has i said before you are free to have that opinion, i simply was pointing out i thought it was very weird because i see no logic in that opinion since human rights orgs disagree, but like i said to each thier own

    what arent you getting?
    I get it, thanks. Like I said, I find it diminishes actual human rights like freedom, self-defense, the right to sovereignty over your own body, things like that.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I get it, thanks. Like I said, I find it diminishes actual human rights like freedom, self-defense, the right to sovereignty over your own body, things like that.

    how?
    freedom?
    self defense?
    right to sovereignty?
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    how?
    freedom?
    self defense?
    right to sovereignty?
    How what?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    How what?
    how does marriage diminish human rights like freedom, self-defense and the right to body sovereignty?

    of is that not what you meant?
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    how does marriage diminish human rights like freedom, self-defense and the right to body sovereignty?

    of is that not what you meant?
    Marriage does not. Basing marriage on things like tax credits, legal benefits, privileges, etc does IMO. The essence and institution of marriage exists outside of that. We dont base freedom or self defense or the right to one's own body on such things.

    Legal marriage is kind of 'regulating' marriage. We dont regulate the rights to freedom or self-defense or the sovereignty of their own bodies unless they break some law that opens the door to consequences. Marriage as recognized by the state is regulated by definition. Marriage as an institution or tradition is not. And it's not infringed on in the US.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    1.)Marriage does not. Basing marriage on things like tax credits, legal benefits, privileges, etc does IMO. The essence and institution of marriage exists outside of that. We dont base freedom or self defense or the right to one's own body on such things.
    2.)Legal marriage is kind of 'regulating' marriage. We dont regulate the rights to freedom or self-defense or the sovereignty of their own bodies unless they break some law that opens the door to consequences.
    3.) Marriage as recognized by the state is regulated by definition. Marriage as an institution or tradition is not. And it's not infringed on in the US.
    1.) i dont understand any of that? how does legal marriage do any of that
    also you keep mentioning self defense and body sovereignty what does that have to do with legal marriage? those things arent impacted by marriage

    2.) its a contract that one gets voluntarily so the subjective view of its regulation is by choice not by force thats why i dont see any logic in claiming it goes against human rights
    3.) so basically you are taking your views of marriage and your views of what is tradition, legal and institution and saying they apply to everybody.
    The statement " Marriage as an institution or tradition is not. And it's not infringed on in the US" is only an opinion that people may or may not share with you since thier institution or tradition maybe legal marriage.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How about you show me where it is about "control." This was your declaration, man, you ****in support it. Control of what?
    You trying to tell me that any consenting adult can marry any other consenting adult, and that they can adopt in all 50 states in the Union, or even can ensure spousal rights across the board if one passes? You sure you want to make that argument?
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    translation: you have no answer, that's what i thought lol
    saying what you want is not saying how you do it. I could say i want guns to be legal everywhere that doesnt answer how i would do it

    Ill ask again and i bet you dodge it again
    you said "I'd rather just see government out of the mix entirely."

    Im asking you how would you do that? what system would you put in place to do all the things a marriage contract does and do it without involving government?
    I already answered this, there is no need for a replacement. Not sure I can dumb it down any further for you.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I already answered this, there is no need for a replacement. Not sure I can dumb it down any further for you.
    I knew you would dodge it

    Translation: you have no answer, thanks thats what i thought
    let us know when you can answer
    facts win again
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    I knew you would dodge it

    Translation: you have no answer, thanks thats what i thought
    let us know when you can answer
    facts win again
    Dodge what? Why do you need such government authority in personal relationships?
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