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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

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    Perhaps we should re-visit what that has really accomplished.
    Well I gave what I consider 2 positive examples.

    I wouldnt be against it in general if I thought it was all beer and skittles.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    1.)They are treated differently under the law, to me that is civil rights.
    2.)They are not restricted in their ability to 'be gay', to live together, etc. They are not "legally" persecuted for that. (except perhaps the few places left where sodomy is still illegal). They are being denied things that are not basic human rights...benefits, privileges, some legal protections based on a union.

    For example: living with someone of your choice - human right. Legal recognition of living with someone - civil right.

    As I told him, YMMV.
    1.) that i understand but you cant reference law then reference human rights they arent the same and thats the point
    2.) again to each thier own but human rights orgs and the human rights deceleration disagrees with you

    dont know what ymma is but again like i said to each thier own i just dont understand it logically but like i said since its subjective its not for me to understand
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) that i understand but you cant reference law then reference human rights they arent the same and thats the point
    2.) again to each thier own but human rights orgs and the human rights deceleration disagrees with you

    dont know what ymma is but again like i said to each thier own i just dont understand it logically but like i said since its subjective its not for me to understand
    Your Mileage May Vary.

    And I dont care if I agree with them. And US law isnt clear on human vs civil rights....I've seen no clarification on this in our law.

    So it remains a matter of opinion in some respects. As I said, some things are clearly human right violations. Some are not. The "human right" to associate and live together by choice is not breached in the US.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    equal rights that has been the argument all along hasn't it been? equal rights to marry?
    Equal rights with heterosexual couples is what he argument has been. Why are so many of you perverted?

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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    1.) I definitely dont agree that marriage is a basic human right.
    2.) "Legal" marriage does not prevent anyone from exercising the physical and emotional and traditional aspects of marriage. Not in the US.
    3.) I dont really care what the Universal dec says either. It's nice, but I dont agree.

    Personally I think it cheapens 'human rights' to do so. Just ask anyone sitting in a cell for years without access to a legal defense.
    1.) you are free to do so
    2.) ok
    3.) didn't say you had to agree or care was just pointing it out that i didn't see the logic behind it since human rights orgs disagree but again to each thier own
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    1.) And US law isnt clear on human vs civil rights....I've seen no clarification on this in our law. So it remains a matter of opinion in some respects.
    2.) As I said, some things are clearly human right violations. Some are not. The "human right" to associate and live together by choice is not breached in the US.
    1.) no its very clear human rights are not 100% legal rights.
    2.) and this is meanignless and just a coincidence like religious laws that line up its not just solely based on human rights
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Why would I want outside parties involved?
    that doesnt answer the question, please in your next post do so
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) no its very clear human rights are not 100% legal rights.
    2.) and this is meanignless and just a coincidence like religious laws that line up its not just solely based on human rights
    It's not meaningless. People's human right (if it is so) to live together in the US is not breached in any way. Marriage is a legal convention, period. Marriage in any other sense: physical, traditional, emotional....is not infringed on.

    "Rights and privileges and contract obligations" for marriage are accorded by govt, and change all the time.

    And your number 1) should read, YES, its very clear human rights are not 100% legal rights. Because that is what I wrote, in other words, in my post.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    that doesnt answer the question, please in your next post do so
    Sure it does, you perhaps do not like the answer. I am not looking for someone to replace all the ways the government handles individual relations.
    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people." - Penn Jillette.

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    Re: As gay marriages begin in Florida, Supreme Court is set to meet on issue

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Equal rights with heterosexual couples is what he argument has been. Why are so many of you perverted?
    no no no see now you have moved the goal posts. I figured as much.
    the whole thing has dealt with equal rights to marry. now you want to prevent that to other people simply because you don't agree with their lifestyle.
    why are you being such a bigot?

    polygamist have the right to marry whomever they want to and who are you to tells them no. why would you deny them their equal rights in marriage.

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