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Police chief's anti-racism sign lauded, criticized[W:81]

CanadaJohn said:
As posted above, I agree with apdst so he's not alone.

If the Police Chief was smart and wanted to start a dialogue and not blatantly accuse his new command of racism he would have held up a sign that said "I Resolve to Challenge Racism Wherever I Find It". That would be leadership.
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The Police Chief, the chief spokesman and public perception of his force stood as that Representative and stated, in uniform, that his force was anti rascist. Sounds and looks like a good guy using the best possible imagery to convey the message. If it was meant as a private, personal opinion, he would not have been in uniform. It makes one proud of the Pittsburgh Police, not just the Chief.
 
X Factor said:
Sure, whatever.

I made this point once before. We're often told that the Ferguson shooting by itself is not the issue and that we must view it in light of all other police action to understand Ferguson protestors, yet, in this case, we're to view that sign in a vacuum and without any context at all.
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more subjective opinion and points that have nothing to do with anything i said in this thread
 
DaveFagan said:
The Police Chief, the chief spokesman and public perception of his force stood as that Representative and stated, in uniform, that his force was anti rascist. Sounds and looks like a good guy using the best possible imagery to convey the message. If it was meant as a private, personal opinion, he would not have been in uniform. It makes one proud of the Pittsburgh Police, not just the Chief.
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That's a convenient backpedal that ignores all context of the past couple of months.

1. The sign said "challenge racism where I work"

2. The Chief was wearing his Pittsburgh police uniform, letting everyone know where he works.

3. His sign blatantly implies that there is racism in the Pittsburgh police department and he will challenge it.

Only a complete fool or someone disinterested in honest discussion would interpret the sign otherwise in the context in which it was presented and the context in which American police officers are currently living.

It's that simple.
 
X Factor said:
Incidentally, I said it would be viewed as an admission that racism is this large problem with the police and look at the very first response to this thread.



Now, to be consistent with what you're telling me, you should disagree with what I've bolded. Do you?
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When you are using random people omn the internet to try and booster your false, lying narrative so you can be outraged, that is pretty much a huge failure.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Nonsense
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No, it's true. If people who support the police actively ending institutional racism in their ranks set the tone, then a police chief holding that sign is not tone deaf. The only people who would not support the police chief are people who don't want the police to end institutional racism and what do we call those people : RACISTS!
 
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Redress said:
No, that is not spin. That is the English language. Note the lack of the words "all my officers" on the sign. That means that it does not say "all my officers". See how language works?
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I see it as implying that racism exists in the force. That could imply everyone, although he certainly doesn't say that.

What's he going to combat? I appreciate his sentiment, and all -isms should be erased, but how does he do it?
Arrest fewer blacks?
Arrest more whites?
 
tres borrachos said:
I see it as implying that racism exists in the force. That could imply everyone, although he certainly doesn't say that.

What's he going to combat? I appreciate his sentiment, and all -isms should be erased, but how does he do it?
Arrest fewer blacks?
Arrest more whites?
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This is a good example of why we cannot have nice things. The message on the sign is nothing short of positive. He will not ignore or turn a blind eye to racism at work, he will confront it, which he should do in his job. And what happens when some one does something that is positive? Others look for ways to try and turn it into a negative, reading into it, or taking it out of context. It is actually kinda sad that some one holding up a sign saying they will confront workplace racism is somehow controversial.
 
Redress said:
This is a good example of why we cannot have nice things. The message on the sign is nothing short of positive. He will not ignore or turn a blind eye to racism at work, he will confront it, which he should do in his job. And what happens when some one does something that is positive? Others look for ways to try and turn it into a negative, reading into it, or taking it out of context. It is actually kinda sad that some one holding up a sign saying they will confront workplace racism is somehow controversial.
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Okay, so how will he confront it exactly? I asked you, and you went off on a tangent about how we can't have nice things.
 
iacardsfan said:
I applaud him for accepting the fact that there is institutional racism in the criminal justice system. I think that his approach is the correct one. This is not something that can be changed through legislation, it is a cultural thing. We live in a culture where minorities are seen as trouble makers. No legislation can change that. It will take people like this police chief, and minorities that denounce the use of violent protest and looting as a method of advancing their views.
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Maybe they are seen as trouble makers because they are making trouble. Tell me, of the 12,000,000 arrests last year, how many are you claiming were racially motivated, rather than proper????
 
Redress said:
This is a good example of why we cannot have nice things. The message on the sign is nothing short of positive. He will not ignore or turn a blind eye to racism at work, he will confront it, which he should do in his job. And what happens when some one does something that is positive? Others look for ways to try and turn it into a negative, reading into it, or taking it out of context. It is actually kinda sad that some one holding up a sign saying they will confront workplace racism is somehow controversial.
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couldn't possibly agree more
theres nothing negative here unless like you said . . . its invented
 
Redress said:
This is a good example of why we cannot have nice things. The message on the sign is nothing short of positive. He will not ignore or turn a blind eye to racism at work, he will confront it, which he should do in his job. And what happens when some one does something that is positive? Others look for ways to try and turn it into a negative, reading into it, or taking it out of context. It is actually kinda sad that some one holding up a sign saying they will confront workplace racism is somehow controversial.
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If he wasn't referring to his officers, who was he referring to?
 
Lovebug said:
Lets hope the PC vows to stamp out racism on all fronts, so that we can move on to distinguishing right from wrong once again without making excuses based on color of skin.
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This thread is typical of the 'dialogue' on race and how futile it is.

What else can possibly be said about race that hasn't been said already? We all know it exists, though not on a major level. We know that Black crime is a problem that needs addressing, we know that many schools are lacking and some neighborhoods are more dangerous than others.

This 'dialogue' is really more about name calling than problem solving and this police chief is doing nothing more than self-aggrandizing suggesting he is the one who, unlike others, will seek out and punish racism wherever he finds it. This sign is very poor judgement on his part, as we can see by the negative reactions its received.

Why bother with the sign at all? He could have added any crime to that silly sign, but chose 'racism' instead. That is just a 'look at me' moment and not one that inspires trust or confidence in his leadership.
 
Redress said:
This is a good example of why we cannot have nice things. The message on the sign is nothing short of positive. He will not ignore or turn a blind eye to racism at work, he will confront it, which he should do in his job. And what happens when some one does something that is positive? Others look for ways to try and turn it into a negative, reading into it, or taking it out of context. It is actually kinda sad that some one holding up a sign saying they will confront workplace racism is somehow controversial.
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You have to be living in a cave or just emerging from a coma not to appreciate the context in which this sign and the person holding it just ads fuel to a fire that needs to be calmed, not stoked.

This message is no different or no less tone deaf than Mayor de Blasio's comments following the Garner GJ verdict that he has to caution his mixed race son about his contact with NYC police. The messages, in both cases, in isolation, may be perfectly logical, reasonable, and important, but in connection with what is happening at the time they are idiotic and brain dead for the damage they cause as opposed to the benefit they may bestow.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Cops dont deal with scum every day... Ticket after ticket after ticket after ticket. I could see if you said prison guard. But cops deal with the normal average everyday person everyday.
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I suppose that would depend who you talk to or what you read. Either way, it can be a burnout very fast.
 
shrubnose said:
Pittsburgh's new police chief is being praised by the mayor but criticized by a police union president for being photographed on New Year's Eve holding a sign that says: "I resolve to challenge racism at work."

Read article here: Police chief's anti-racism sign lauded, criticized

Is anyone surprised that any police union president would react like this? I'm not.

Ignoring and denying the existence of racism doesn't make it go away. We must confront it and drive it out.
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I dont see what's condemnable about that statement. Of course we should fight racism in the work place and society in general.
 
the best part about the invention of the negativity . . . .(its just like many said its like a few people didnt even read the sign, or the article or the guys very own words, none which are negative)

Chief Cameron McLay was photographed holding up the sign that someone had brought to the city's annual First Night celebration.
Mayor Bill Peduto said he saw the picture on social media and liked it so much he re-posted it on his own Facebook page.
"I thought, 'What a great way to begin the new year,'" said the first-year mayor, who hired McLay in September.
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Inventing negativity over this is part of the problem and not part of the solution. People were talking about this at work today in Pittsburgh where I live and while its just my personal experience (and only about 20 people involved when i took my break) there's nobody in real life I have encountered bothered by this nor are they inventing negativity in it. The only one crying is the union president. (who is part of the problem)

mean while again here in Pittsburgh
Facebook photo shows new Pittsburgh police Chief McLay aiding protest | TribLIVE
 
AGENT J said:
the best part about the invention of the negativity . . . .(its just like many said its like a few people didnt even read the sign, or the article or the guys very own words, none which are negative)



Inventing negativity over this is part of the problem and not part of the solution. People were talking about this at work today in Pittsburgh where I live and while its just my personal experience (and only about 20 people involved when i took my break) there's nobody in real life I have encountered bothered by this nor are they inventing negativity in it. The only one crying is the union president. (who is part of the problem)

mean while again here in Pittsburgh
Facebook photo shows new Pittsburgh police Chief McLay aiding protest | TribLIVE
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Ok, so the Chief says he isn't talking about his own force, but yet says he hears his own officers talk about race problems, and wants to, so he says facilitate a dialogue about it....So, I am a little confused here help me out Agent....

If the Chief says his officers aren't a problem, then what is the dialogue about? Now, keep in mind that I come from the same area so to speak, I lived near Baltimore for 20 years.
 
shrubnose said:
Pittsburgh's new police chief is being praised by the mayor but criticized by a police union president for being photographed on New Year's Eve holding a sign that says: "I resolve to challenge racism at work."

Read article here: Police chief's anti-racism sign lauded, criticized

Is anyone surprised that any police union president would react like this? I'm not.

Ignoring and denying the existence of racism doesn't make it go away. We must confront it and drive it out.
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No doubt he stepped in it. The head of anything cannot hold up signs saying "end....." unless he sees something he thinks needs ending.

I believe the man's goal is profoundly appropriate, however his choice op words and display leaves a great deal to be desired. And, as far as I'm concerned, the "end white silence" is racist, suggesting only whites engage in racism.
 
j-mac said:
1.)Ok, so the Chief says he isn't talking about his own force, but yet says he hears his own officers talk about race problems, and wants to, so he says facilitate a dialogue about it....So, I am a little confused here help me out Agent....
2.)If the Chief says his officers aren't a problem, then what is the dialogue about?
3.) Now, keep in mind that I come from the same area so to speak, I lived near Baltimore for 20 years.
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1.) huh?
I have no idea what you are asking?
2.) again what are you asking
if you want to ask me about what i have stated do so and be specific
if you are asking me about any "extra" meanings you are assuming or inventing on top of the chiefs statments I can't help you, you'd have to ask him lol can only go by what was actually said and thats the point and thank you for proving it.
3.) Baltimore (bean there and go family there) is nothing like Pittsburgh IMO and also meaningless to the topic
 
I think what this White cop is trying to say is that he will challege any of the real racists he deals with working on the street. Like the totally racist street gangs. Almost none any are multi-racial. The Crips, Bloods, Mexian Mafia and M-13 are each made up of only racists of their own race.

I'm glad this White cop will not be afriad to speak up to these racists groups about their racism and not be silent.

Kudos.
 
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