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Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

j-mac said:
This thread is not about the dog at all, and wasn't intended to be from the start. It was started to further the narrative that the police are out of control, and should just be targets of criminals.
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The police aren't out of control, though. This all started over a cop rightly and justly shooting a career criminal who was trying to kill him. Killing Micheal Brown was the good and right thing to.
 
Jerry said:
The police aren't out of control, though. This all started over a cop rightly and justly shooting a career criminal who was trying to kill him. Killing Micheal Brown was the good and right thing to.
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No, it seems it is more about what rights does a property owner have. The dog's owner who so far has been determined to be totally innocent of any charges has been attacked by some for having a pit bull. He kept the dog on his property by the invisible fence and so far there had not been any history of the dog attacking others.

This has nothing to do with Michael Brown? It is questionable if the suspect even entered this property as if he did I would imagine he would have ran into the evil pit bull.
 
j-mac said:
Considering the direction of the anarchists these days, hell yeah.
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I know, why they did not find him and hang him from the nearest tree is a reflection on the lack of enforcement –attention to small details.
 
All this over a guy on a bike and no light.
 
Jerry said:
Pursuing a criminal does give police the right to be on your property even with your expressed prohibition.
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:lamo

Meh, you'll just be arrested for obstructing justice.
 
Jerry said:
The police aren't out of control, though. This all started over a cop rightly and justly shooting a career criminal who was trying to kill him. Killing Micheal Brown was the good and right thing to.
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Yeah and it's okay for a cop to choke the life out of someone for selling single cigarettes on a street corner. You're not a cop we hope. :eek:
 
Hard Truth said:
Unfortunately, cops do it with some regularity. (google cop kills dog) It most cases the fools could have called the owner or Animal Control officers to handle the dog.
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I'm guessing a number of them just have itchy trigger fingers and are just dying to shoot something. fwiw, as a kid hunting with my dad I almost fell victim to that and thought of shooting a squirrel after three days of seeing no deer.
 
To those who are worrying about property rights and dogs getting shot while defending their yard I'll point out that the article says that the property has "an invisible fence system" for the dog. There is no mention as to whether there was a real fence or what the size of the property is. Given that it's pure speculation as to whether the officers even knew they were on private property and that the dog actually belonged to someone.

I do find the contention that you have to "control" your dog in yard ludicrous. Leash laws do not apply on private property, at least where I live. Letting the family dog roam freely in a yard is normal around here. My dogs spend most of the summer out in our yard.
 
j-mac said:
1. Response was proportional. Man on bike pulled over for not having a light at night...Safety issue. When stopped, man ditches bike and runs...So, according to you, ah well, too bad, guess that one got away right? Wrong! That's not how police react to someone running, and not how they should react to that.

2. Police have the right to go into, or through your yard in the pursuit of a criminal running...That is just a fact. And, I'll go one further, if the police are chasing someone who ran through your property, and they follow and are confronted by your dog, whom then attacks, they have a right to defend themselves, and that includes the K9.

3. Well, they need not stop and ask every homeowner if they can run through their backyard while in pursuit of a fleeing suspect, that's just foolish to think that they should. As a homeowner myself, I know that if the cops are running through my yard after someone they have my implicit permission, and I hope they catch the suspect without injury to themselves. Further, if my dog attacks them coming through, and they have to protect themselves from him, then they have to do what they have to do...I understand...

I can only guess by your answers here that you want police at a disadvantage.
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I don't want the police killing people's pets to give a ticket to a bicyclist for a traffic infraction, if that puts them at a disadvantage I can accept that. As I said, if it was a violent criminal I would consider the police's trespassing reasonable. Note that many cities have imposed limits on when police can do high speed pursuits because of many incidents where the harm from the pursuit was greater than the harm from allowing a suspect to escape. This is a similar situation.
 
Jerry said:
Perusing a criminal is an emergency. The only kind of person who flees from the cops over something so lame is a person with active warrants. If your dog aggressively approaches a cop, that cop is fully justified in shooting your dog.
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More likely, the person who fled may have had some pot on him, been an illegal alien or had another unpaid citation. Probably not worth killing someone's pet.
 
Crosscheck said:
No, it seems it is more about what rights does a property owner have. The dog's owner who so far has been determined to be totally innocent of any charges has been attacked by some for having a pit bull. He kept the dog on his property by the invisible fence and so far there had not been any history of the dog attacking others.

This has nothing to do with Michael Brown? It is questionable if the suspect even entered this property as if he did I would imagine he would have ran into the evil pit bull.
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This isn't about pit bulls at all.
 
Gaius46 said:
To those who are worrying about property rights and dogs getting shot while defending their yard I'll point out that the article says that the property has "an invisible fence system" for the dog. There is no mention as to whether there was a real fence or what the size of the property is. Given that it's pure speculation as to whether the officers even knew they were on private property and that the dog actually belonged to someone.

I do find the contention that you have to "control" your dog in yard ludicrous. Leash laws do not apply on private property, at least where I live. Letting the family dog roam freely in a yard is normal around here. My dogs spend most of the summer out in our yard.
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Leash laws aren't an issue. No need for you to even mention them. Whenever anyone is around your dog it's your job to make sure your dog doesn't go after them, leash or no.
 
AJiveMan said:
Yeah and it's okay for a cop to choke the life out of someone for selling single cigarettes on a street corner. You're not a cop we hope. :eek:
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Yeah and its ok to exicute cops sitting in their car. You're not a non-cop we hope.
 
Jerry said:
Leash laws aren't an issue. No need for you to even mention them. Whenever anyone is around your dog it's your job to make sure your dog doesn't go after them, leash or no.
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That can only apply when you know that someone has entered your property.
 
Jerry said:
Leash laws aren't an issue. No need for you to even mention them. Whenever anyone is around your dog it's your job to make sure your dog doesn't go after them, leash or no.
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I don't disagree. But I thought the issue here was the dog going after someone when the owner wasn't there (presuming the dog's in a fenced yard which it isn't clear is the case here).
 
Hard Truth said:
That can only apply when you know that someone has entered your property.
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Owning a dog that will attack people is a hazard and thus not permissible rather you're around or not.
 
Gaius46 said:
I don't disagree. But I thought the issue here was the dog going after someone when the owner wasn't there (presuming the dog's in a fenced yard which it isn't clear is the case here).
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Right, which means leash laws have nothing to do with anything. This dog was not being taken for a walk, for a leash law to then apply. The cop had entered the space where a dog would have been leashed, so rather or not the dog was leashed doesn't matter.
 
Hard Truth said:
I don't want the police killing people's pets to give a ticket to a bicyclist for a traffic infraction, if that puts them at a disadvantage I can accept that. As I said, if it was a violent criminal I would consider the police's trespassing reasonable. Note that many cities have imposed limits on when police can do high speed pursuits because of many incidents where the harm from the pursuit was greater than the harm from allowing a suspect to escape. This is a similar situation.
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1. You don't know why the man on the bike ran, do you?

2. So, it's fine with you to put police at a disadvantage. That's all we need know about your position.

3. Calling off high speed car chases is meant to protect a driving public that largely are oblivious when they drive. Tell us what person is in danger in a foot pursuit.
 
Hard Truth said:
More likely, the person who fled may have had some pot on him, been an illegal alien or had another unpaid citation. Probably not worth killing someone's pet.
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Or a child molester, armed robber, or murderer...how would you know?
 
j-mac said:
Or a child molester, armed robber, or murderer...how would you know?
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With those kind of monsters around you it is wise to own a dog like this guy had. Or should we depend on the police to take care of us 24/7 and tuck us in at bedtime.
 
Jerry said:
Yeah and its ok to exicute cops sitting in their car. You're not a non-cop we hope.
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Exicute?

You should be hoping I were a cop, so I could get exicuted. :doh
 
Crosscheck said:
With those kind of monsters around you it is wise to own a dog like this guy had. Or should we depend on the police to take care of us 24/7 and tuck us in at bedtime.
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There's no problem with owning a dog. Just keep it under control. Loose dogs are why I started carrying a gun in the first place. I'll have no problem putting down another dog if I need to.
 
Crosscheck said:
With those kind of monsters around you it is wise to own a dog like this guy had. Or should we depend on the police to take care of us 24/7 and tuck us in at bedtime.
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Don't be absurd. I have both, guns, and a dog. But if i were in that situation I'd understand
 
Cant it be possible that SOMETIMES there just really arent any 'bad guys' in a particular story? It doesnt sound like the owner was a bad guy. Sounds like he had a dog and an invisible fence and unless Im missing something, he didnt own a killer dog. The dog doesnt sound like a rabid threat to humankind...he was just a dog, doing what dogs by instinct do. He wasnt roaming the neighborhood mauling small children. The cop that shot the dog was defending a K9 unit. What...he wasnt supposed to do that?

Its a ****ty set of circumstances that SOMETIMES happens.
 
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