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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I have realistic, IMO, worries about cops coming to my property for unfounded reasons and shooting my dogs that are here to defend me. I'll probably die too because I will fire to save them.

    Because I know that I will not be a legitimate focus of police invading my property, I dont commit crimes.
    The police can have legitimate reasons to enter your property that do not involve you committing a crime. These reasons can include:

    - Making an inquiry as to whether or not you are a witness to an event.
    - Assisting municipal workers (meter readers etc) who have expressed fears about being attacked by your dogs.


    Jerry said it best: Unless you are being attacked, it is going to be hard to claim that the dogs were "defending you". In short, if you cant control your dogs, you risk alot.

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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    An incredibly ignorant opinion, but an opinion. I have petted hundreds of pitbulls that I didn't know. Not a single one has snapped at me. Many small poodle type dogs have snapped at me.
    My opinion is shaped by my own experiences with the breed, but it's actually not all that ignorant.


    "In the 9-year period from 2005 to 2013, two dog breeds accounted for 74% of the attacks that resulted in death: pit bulls and rottweilers."

    "71% of the pit bull fatalities have occurred in the past 10 years; 42% in the past four years; 24% in the past two years."

    "Over 700 U.S. cities have adopted breed-specific laws since the mid 1980s, just after pit bulls (fighting dogs) began leaking into the general population."

    "In the 9-year period from 2005 to 2013, pit bulls killed 176 Americans, about one citizen every 18.6 days."

    "In the 3-year period of 2006 to 2008, 18% of all fatal dog attacks occurred off owner property. Pit bulls were responsible for 81% of these attacks."

    "In the first eight months of 2011, nearly half of the persons killed by a pit bull was the dog's owner and primary caretaker."

    "In 2011, adult victims of fatal pit bull attacks more than doubled the number of child victims."

    http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-sta...statistics.php


    You can find a lot more facts about Pitbulls and other dogs at that site.
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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    When I read the headline, I thought of the rapper....Then come to find out it is about a dog, during a chase...Ok...So, if I am reading this correctly, those that say the police acted stupidly, to coin a phrase, seem to be on the side that says that police have NO right to defend themselves, nor do they have the duty to go after fleeing suspects...Am I missing something?
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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    When I read the headline, I thought of the rapper....Then come to find out it is about a dog, during a chase...Ok...So, if I am reading this correctly, those that say the police acted stupidly, to coin a phrase, seem to be on the side that says that police have NO right to defend themselves, nor do they have the duty to go after fleeing suspects...Am I missing something?
    Yes. We are actually saying that:
    1. Police response should be proportional to the alleged crime or incident and costly resources such as helicopters and K9 units should only be used for the most serious situations.
    2. Police should not be entering private property without permission for such a trivial incident
    3. Police should not kill people's pets unless there is no viable alternative, and that is especially important when the pet is on private property and the police entered that property without permission.

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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    My opinion is shaped by my own experiences with the breed, but it's actually not all that ignorant.


    "In the 9-year period from 2005 to 2013, two dog breeds accounted for 74% of the attacks that resulted in death: pit bulls and rottweilers."

    "71% of the pit bull fatalities have occurred in the past 10 years; 42% in the past four years; 24% in the past two years."

    "Over 700 U.S. cities have adopted breed-specific laws since the mid 1980s, just after pit bulls (fighting dogs) began leaking into the general population."

    "In the 9-year period from 2005 to 2013, pit bulls killed 176 Americans, about one citizen every 18.6 days."

    "In the 3-year period of 2006 to 2008, 18% of all fatal dog attacks occurred off owner property. Pit bulls were responsible for 81% of these attacks."

    "In the first eight months of 2011, nearly half of the persons killed by a pit bull was the dog's owner and primary caretaker."

    "In 2011, adult victims of fatal pit bull attacks more than doubled the number of child victims."

    http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-sta...statistics.php

    You can find a lot more facts about Pitbulls and other dogs at that site.

    Unfortunately pitbulls are popular with people who own them for the wrong reasons, such as fighting or trying to look tough and those people don't treat or train their dog properly. One reason I have never had an incident despite interacting with so many pit bulls is that I assess the owner, how the owner treats the dog and the dog's behavior before getting close. In my experience, many pitbull owners are the problem, but the dogs themselves behave well and are friendlier to people more than most breeds when raised and treated properly.

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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Unfortunately pitbulls are popular with people who own them for the wrong reasons, such as fighting or trying to look tough and those people don't treat or train their dog properly. One reason I have never had an incident despite interacting with so many pit bulls is that I assess the owner, how the owner treats the dog and the dog's behavior before getting close. In my experience, many pitbull owners are the problem, but the dogs themselves behave well and are friendlier to people more than most breeds when raised and treated properly.
    My experiences indicate otherwise.

    Pitbulls are time-bombs just waiting to go off. Doesn't matter what kind of owner they have...when they blow up, they blow up...and frequently someone dies because of it.
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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Yes. We are actually saying that:
    1. Police response should be proportional to the alleged crime or incident and costly resources such as helicopters and K9 units should only be used for the most serious situations.
    2. Police should not be entering private property without permission for such a trivial incident
    3. Police should not kill people's pets unless there is no viable alternative, and that is especially important when the pet is on private property and the police entered that property without permission.
    1. Response was proportional. Man on bike pulled over for not having a light at night...Safety issue. When stopped, man ditches bike and runs...So, according to you, ah well, too bad, guess that one got away right? Wrong! That's not how police react to someone running, and not how they should react to that.

    2. Police have the right to go into, or through your yard in the pursuit of a criminal running...That is just a fact. And, I'll go one further, if the police are chasing someone who ran through your property, and they follow and are confronted by your dog, whom then attacks, they have a right to defend themselves, and that includes the K9.

    3. Well, they need not stop and ask every homeowner if they can run through their backyard while in pursuit of a fleeing suspect, that's just foolish to think that they should. As a homeowner myself, I know that if the cops are running through my yard after someone they have my implicit permission, and I hope they catch the suspect without injury to themselves. Further, if my dog attacks them coming through, and they have to protect themselves from him, then they have to do what they have to do...I understand...

    I can only guess by your answers here that you want police at a disadvantage.
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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Did they do a fly by with a mini-gun?
    I doubt that. Though many Police forces have mine proofed vehicles.
    I think it was an excellent use of limited resources. Do you agree?
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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Just the stupid ones that kills people's beloved pets to give a bicyclist a traffic citation.
    And if that bicyclist ran from the cops because he murdered someone? People don't generally run from cops unless they have a warrant out for their arrest or have done something that can get them prison time. But of course all the cop haters here never admit, or at the least realize, that.
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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    I doubt that. Though many Police forces have mine proofed vehicles.
    I think it was an excellent use of limited resources. Do you agree?
    Considering the direction of the anarchists these days, hell yeah.
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