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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The key here is that the suspect was not armed or dangerous, he was just running which is not a felony, it is a misdemeanor. Legally the police had zero right to go onto the property that the pitbull was on chasing their suspect.
    That's not "key" at all. Not even a tinny little bit. Fleeing or attempting to elude a law enforcement officer is a crime all by itself. Using a K9 to apprehend a fleeing suspect is perfectly justifiable according to SCOTUS. Police presence on private property to pursue or apprehend a suspect is perfectly justifiable according to SCOTUS.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The k9 unit was not searching the private property for anything other than the suspect. it would have been wise to notify the homeowner that there was a suspect on their property and that they wish to search the property for him with a police dog. You keep talking about proper procedure but ignore such things like properly notifying a property owner of a search. Police do not have the endless right to do things just because they think they have probable cause in their corner. The police in this case didnt notify the homeowner probably because they didnt see the suspect as being dangerous. The k9 unit went against their training by bringing a the police dog onto property that they didnt know a dog was on. Had they spent the few minutes necessary to inform themselves if a dog was there then none of this would have happened. They didnt and because they didnt check and see if there might be a dog present not only did they have to shoot the homeowners dog but the police dog got injured and the suspect got away. It is called bad policing.
    The right isn't "endless". It's in fact very limited to the scope of probable cause. Pursuing a fleeing suspect falls within that narrow scope. If the property owner takes action against a police dog perusing a suspect, that owner will be charged under Offenses against police dogs, fire dogs, SAR dogs, or police horses. A police officer using deadly force against you shooting at the K9, or at your dog who thinks it's just defending it's property, is justified in that use of deadly force under Florida Title Code Chapeter 776.05.

    There was never, is not, and never will be any moral, ethical, or legal necessity to inform property owners before continuing pursuit. If you can't keep your dog under control, then you shouldn't have a dog.

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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's not "key" at all. Not even a tinny little bit. Fleeing or attempting to elude a law enforcement officer is a crime all by itself. Using a K9 to apprehend a fleeing suspect is perfectly justifiable according to SCOTUS. Police presence on private property to pursue or apprehend a suspect is perfectly justifiable according to SCOTUS.


    The right isn't "endless". It's in fact very limited to the scope of probable cause. Pursuing a fleeing suspect falls within that narrow scope. If the property owner takes action against a police dog perusing a suspect, that owner will be charged under Offenses against police dogs, fire dogs, SAR dogs, or police horses. A police officer using deadly force against you shooting at the K9, or at your dog who thinks it's just defending it's property, is justified in that use of deadly force under Florida Title Code Chapeter 776.05.

    There was never, is not, and never will be any moral, ethical, or legal necessity to inform property owners before continuing pursuit. If you can't keep your dog under control, then you shouldn't have a dog.
    It is only justifiable to go on private property (in this case) without a court order if the suspect that they were chasing committed a felony or was a danger to the safety of the public. Fleeing as I said is a misdemeanor not a felony, and is not dangerous. The police had no right to be on private property during that chase.

    CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE has zero to do with anything in this thread. It never mentions police dogs or any other animal, it is centered on humans and humans alone.
    The other link though which does talk about police dogs operates on the premise that a person knows that a police dog is a police dog. We dont have any information as to the actual circumstances that led up to the dogfight and the shooting of the family pet. There is no mention of whether the police dog was leashed or not. They do mention in the article several times that the homeowners dog was unleashed which is untrue. The dog had an electronic leash on that shocked the dog if he dared to cross the property line. As I said it was upto the k9 officer to make sure that there wasnt any dogs on the private property before he attempted to enter the property with his police dog. He obviously failed to make the determination and his dog got attacked for his incompetence. ANd the homeowner got his dog shot because the officer was incompetent. You can continue making all kinds of excuses but you cannot deny that the officer had a obligation to make sure that no dogs were present before bringing his police dog onto the property.

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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    It is only justifiable to go on private property (in this case) without a court order if the suspect that they were chasing committed a felony or was a danger to the safety of the public. Fleeing as I said is a misdemeanor not a felony, and is not dangerous. The police had no right to be on private property during that chase.
    Police have the right to enter private property without a warrant to pursue a suspect. What crime the suspect committed is irrelevant.

    CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE has zero to do with anything in this thread. It never mentions police dogs or any other animal, it is centered on humans and humans alone.
    The other link though which does talk about police dogs operates on the premise that a person knows that a police dog is a police dog. We dont have any information as to the actual circumstances that led up to the dogfight and the shooting of the family pet. There is no mention of whether the police dog was leashed or not. They do mention in the article several times that the homeowners dog was unleashed which is untrue. The dog had an electronic leash on that shocked the dog if he dared to cross the property line.
    An electronic leash is not a leash.

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    As I said it was upto the k9 officer to make sure that there wasnt any dogs on the private property before he attempted to enter the property with his police dog.
    That's an irrational demand.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    He obviously failed to make the determination and his dog got attacked for his incompetence. ANd the homeowner got his dog shot because the officer was incompetent. You can continue making all kinds of excuses but you cannot deny that the officer had a obligation to make sure that no dogs were present before bringing his police dog onto the property.
    Police officers have no obligation to clear all possible routs of a fleeing suspect before giving chase. It's literally physically impossible to accomplish. You may as well demand an officer draw a perfect circle with 2 sharp corners as that's equally impossible.

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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Police have the right to enter private property without a warrant to pursue a suspect. What crime the suspect committed is irrelevant.


    An electronic leash is not a leash.


    That's an irrational demand.


    Police officers have no obligation to clear all possible routs of a fleeing suspect before giving chase. It's literally physically impossible to accomplish. You may as well demand an officer draw a perfect circle with 2 sharp corners as that's equally impossible.
    Yea sure I believe you.

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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    I can't believe this thread is still active. Don't people know that anybody can shoot your dog and not be punished in any meaningful way? Dogs are property and hae no rights of their own. I am not happy about that but that's the way it is. Besides if that policemen shoots and kills a person that he said was attacking him he would not have any problems with that either.

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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    Here is some more info on this case. According to the homeowners Nena was attacked by the k9 and never attacked the k9 so the cops shot Nena for sniffing a dog on her own property. And this after the owner already talked to the cops and they did not mention anything about the k9. So the homeowners noticed a light on their property and went out to investigate and were yelled at by the cops (audio below).

    My Dog Nena was shot by police help by Nena Rivera - GoFundMe

    "Please help my dog Nena who was shot by the police.
    At around 10 pm, I went outside to investigate my dog named Brownie, who was tied up and barking, letting me know somebody was on the premises (I knew there
    was a criminal on the loose in the area, because of the search helicopter, and I had also spoken to the police about it ) I went outside to investigate who was there, and that is when I then saw lights from the side of my RV, on my property. I then said, "who's that?" and was met with an angry officer who began to yell and scream at me . I advised him that he was on my property, and at that time he began yelling even more aggressively towards me.


    When he started yelling, my other dog Nena came outside to see what was going on & she noticed a new dog on our property that she had not seen before. She started jogging over to the K9 in a non-aggressive manner to check out the new dog, who she did not know – just as all dogs do when they meet a new dog-. As she was jogging over to the K9, I was yelling for her to come back so she would not go up to the K9, but it was too late as she was already up to the K9 on our property. The K9 proceeded to bite her followed by her trying to defend herself .



    At that moment, the police proceeded to shoot my dog, Nena. She and I started screaming in agony, as I just witnessed her get shot in front of my eyes! The entire time this was all taking place, she never left her property, which is enclosed with an invisible fence system.
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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I can't believe this thread is still active.
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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    When he started yelling, my other dog Nena came outside to see what was going on & she noticed a new dog on our property that she had not seen before. She started jogging over to the K9 in a non-aggressive manner to check out the new dog, who she did not know just as all dogs do when they meet a new dog-. As she was jogging over to the K9, I was yelling for her to come back so she would not go up to the K9, but it was too late as she was already up to the K9 on our property. The K9 proceeded to bite her followed by her trying to defend herself .
    So Nena was allowed to interfere with police business.

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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I can't believe this thread is still active. Don't people know that anybody can shoot your dog and not be punished in any meaningful way? Dogs are property and hae no rights of their own. I am not happy about that but that's the way it is. Besides if that policemen shoots and kills a person that he said was attacking him he would not have any problems with that either.
    If a police officer shoots a person, it's justifiable, see Ferguson Missouri and Milwaukee Wisconsin cases. A grand jury will indict a ham sandwich, but not a police officer.

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    Re: Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Here is some more info on this case. According to the homeowners Nena was attacked by the k9 and never attacked the k9 so the cops shot Nena for sniffing a dog on her own property. And this after the owner already talked to the cops and they did not mention anything about the k9. So the homeowners noticed a light on their property and went out to investigate and were yelled at by the cops (audio below).

    My Dog Nena was shot by police help by Nena Rivera - GoFundMe

    "Please help my dog Nena who was shot by the police.
    At around 10 pm, I went outside to investigate my dog named Brownie, who was tied up and barking, letting me know somebody was on the premises (I knew there
    was a criminal on the loose in the area, because of the search helicopter, and I had also spoken to the police about it ) I went outside to investigate who was there, and that is when I then saw lights from the side of my RV, on my property. I then said, "who's that?" and was met with an angry officer who began to yell and scream at me . I advised him that he was on my property, and at that time he began yelling even more aggressively towards me.


    When he started yelling, my other dog Nena came outside to see what was going on & she noticed a new dog on our property that she had not seen before. She started jogging over to the K9 in a non-aggressive manner to check out the new dog, who she did not know just as all dogs do when they meet a new dog-. As she was jogging over to the K9, I was yelling for her to come back so she would not go up to the K9, but it was too late as she was already up to the K9 on our property. The K9 proceeded to bite her followed by her trying to defend herself .



    At that moment, the police proceeded to shoot my dog, Nena. She and I started screaming in agony, as I just witnessed her get shot in front of my eyes! The entire time this was all taking place, she never left her property, which is enclosed with an invisible fence system.
    "



    That's her story...but it sounds to me like she went outside once and knew the police were in the area when she was told to get back in the house. Knowing that police were searching for a fleeing criminal, she did not secure her dog. This is her own fault.

    If you have someone at your house and they get injured you'll be sued. She should have taken the dog in the first time she was confronted.
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