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    Ebola’s ground zero: This bat-filled tree may be where the outbreak started

    Ebola’s ground zero: This bat-filled tree may be where the outbreak started | National Post

    The toddler in Guinea who is thought to have been the first case in the current outbreak of Ebola in West Africa may have caught the virus from bats in a hollow tree near his village, scientists said Tuesday.

    A study, led by scientists from the Robert Koch Institute in Berlin and published online by the journal EMBO Molecular Medicine, could not prove the link because the tree in Meliandou, a village of 31 houses in the Guéckédou district, burned in late March and the bats inside were immolated or flew off.

    The fire took place shortly after Guineans were warned that the virus might come from bats. By then, at least 10 local people were dead.

    However, the scientists found enough residual DNA in the charred trunk and fecal DNA in nearby soil to identify the animals as Mops condylurus, long-tailed insect-eating bats that were previously suspected in an outbreak of the Sudan strain of Ebola virus, which is related to the Zaire strain that has infected more than 20,000 West Africans.

    The study is important because scientists have wondered how a boy named Emile Ouamouno, who died in December 2013 and whom various reports describe as 1 or 2 years old, could have been the index patient.

    Most human outbreaks have started in adults: hunters or charcoal-burners finding sick apes or forest antelopes and butchering them for food, for example, or miners working in bat-filled caves. In one case, an outbreak is thought to have come from bats roosting in a cotton mill.

    But there was no large number of deaths among chimpanzees or other animals in the Meliandou area, the scientists said.
    Large fruit bats have been suspected because they are hunted for meat in Guinea, where a peppery bat soup was popular before the outbreak.

    Some scientists think that humans can contract Ebola by picking up fruit that fruit bats have contaminated with saliva or feces.
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    Re: Ebola’s ground zero: This bat-filled tree may be where the outbreak started

    Interesting.
    Thanks for sharing the link.
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    Re: Ebola’s ground zero: This bat-filled tree may be where the outbreak started

    that's pretty cool ... (I mean, the way we can trace stuff down nowadays.)

    bats are pretty much the only animals that i'm conflicted over.... they bring about a plethora of bad ****, but they also prevent a plethora of bad ****.
    the lil bastards can carry ebola, rabies, histoplasmosis, and several hemorrhagic fevers to humans... but they eat tons and tons of skeeter' who bring malaria, yellow fever, dengue fever,and west nile etc.

    it's hard to like em'... or hate em'

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    Re: Ebola’s ground zero: This bat-filled tree may be where the outbreak started

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    Ebola’s ground zero: This bat-filled tree may be where the outbreak started | National Post

    The toddler in Guinea who is thought to have been the first case in the current outbreak of Ebola in West Africa may have caught the virus from bats in a hollow tree near his village, scientists said Tuesday.

    A study, led by scientists from the Robert Koch Institute in Berlin and published online by the journal EMBO Molecular Medicine, could not prove the link because the tree in Meliandou, a village of 31 houses in the Guéckédou district, burned in late March and the bats inside were immolated or flew off.

    The fire took place shortly after Guineans were warned that the virus might come from bats. By then, at least 10 local people were dead.

    However, the scientists found enough residual DNA in the charred trunk and fecal DNA in nearby soil to identify the animals as Mops condylurus, long-tailed insect-eating bats that were previously suspected in an outbreak of the Sudan strain of Ebola virus, which is related to the Zaire strain that has infected more than 20,000 West Africans.

    The study is important because scientists have wondered how a boy named Emile Ouamouno, who died in December 2013 and whom various reports describe as 1 or 2 years old, could have been the index patient.

    Most human outbreaks have started in adults: hunters or charcoal-burners finding sick apes or forest antelopes and butchering them for food, for example, or miners working in bat-filled caves. In one case, an outbreak is thought to have come from bats roosting in a cotton mill.

    But there was no large number of deaths among chimpanzees or other animals in the Meliandou area, the scientists said.
    Large fruit bats have been suspected because they are hunted for meat in Guinea, where a peppery bat soup was popular before the outbreak.

    Some scientists think that humans can contract Ebola by picking up fruit that fruit bats have contaminated with saliva or feces.
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    Re: Ebola’s ground zero: This bat-filled tree may be where the outbreak started

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that's pretty cool ... (I mean, the way we can trace stuff down nowadays.)

    bats are pretty much the only animals that i'm conflicted over.... they bring about a plethora of bad ****, but they also prevent a plethora of bad ****.
    the lil bastards can carry ebola, rabies, histoplasmosis, and several hemorrhagic fevers to humans... but they eat tons and tons of skeeter' who bring malaria, yellow fever, dengue fever,and west nile etc.

    it's hard to like em'... or hate em'
    I agree. Bats can help mankind by eating insects that spread diseases but they can also carry diseases.

    Back in 2000 my husband helped his nephew remodel an old hose that had bats in the walls.

    My husband contracted histoplasmosis ( a fungus infection ) in his lungs which also spread to his kidneys ( since kidneys filter the bodies fluids ). He was very ill for awhile. Doctors think he contracted the histoplasmosis from those bats.

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    Histoplasmosis is spread from bat droppings.

    Anyone going in caves where bats dwell or remodeling old houses where bats are in the walls / attics or may have been should wear a mask to prevent inhaling the spores from bat droppings.
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    Re: Ebola’s ground zero: This bat-filled tree may be where the outbreak started

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I agree. Bats can help mankind by eating insects that spread diseases but they can also carry diseases.

    Back in 2000 my husband helped his nephew remodel an old hose that had bats in the walls.

    My husband contracted histoplasmosis ( a fungus infection ) in his lungs which also spread to his kidneys ( since kidneys filter the bodies fluids ). He was very ill for awhile. Doctors think he contracted the histoplasmosis from those bats.

    ETA

    Histoplasmosis is spread from bat droppings.

    Anyone going in caves where bats dwell or remodeling old houses where bats are in the walls / attics or may have been should wear a mask to prevent inhaling the spores from bat droppings.
    whoa... sorry to here about hubby getting so sick.

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    Re: Ebola’s ground zero: This bat-filled tree may be where the outbreak started

    Mammalians are constantly giving troubles to each other...
    I remember checking Koch Institute's website for an internship but I didn't know about their ebola research.

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    Re: Ebola’s ground zero: This bat-filled tree may be where the outbreak started

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that's pretty cool ... (I mean, the way we can trace stuff down nowadays.)

    bats are pretty much the only animals that i'm conflicted over.... they bring about a plethora of bad ****, but they also prevent a plethora of bad ****.
    the lil bastards can carry ebola, rabies, histoplasmosis, and several hemorrhagic fevers to humans... but they eat tons and tons of skeeter' who bring malaria, yellow fever, dengue fever,and west nile etc.

    it's hard to like em'... or hate em'
    If you want to lay men's ills on a critter, as you say, lay it on mosquitoes. The death toll from their bite is much much higher. Fleas similarly.

    But bats provide many great services in nature...as noted, most prominently the eating of mosquitoes. But other species like the fruit eaters are great pollinators.

    All mammals can carry rabies and some of the other things you listed...but one reason that bats are blamed so often is because many live in colonies in huge numbers so the incident rates are higher. But I dont believe they are predisposed to carry diseases more than other mammals except for their living conditions.

    Bats actually do a great service in nature.
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    Re: Ebola’s ground zero: This bat-filled tree may be where the outbreak started

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I agree. Bats can help mankind by eating insects that spread diseases but they can also carry diseases.

    Back in 2000 my husband helped his nephew remodel an old hose that had bats in the walls.

    My husband contracted histoplasmosis ( a fungus infection ) in his lungs which also spread to his kidneys ( since kidneys filter the bodies fluids ). He was very ill for awhile. Doctors think he contracted the histoplasmosis from those bats.

    ETA

    Histoplasmosis is spread from bat droppings.

    Anyone going in caves where bats dwell or remodeling old houses where bats are in the walls / attics or may have been should wear a mask to prevent inhaling the spores from bat droppings.
    Really? The fungus probably grew on their moist droppings but it would have come from the house...mold or mildew probably. I doubt bats 'carry' histoplasmosis. Weird, but maybe.
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    Re: Ebola’s ground zero: This bat-filled tree may be where the outbreak started

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    whoa... sorry to here about hubby getting so sick.
    Thank for your kind thoughts.
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