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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    True. Of the millions of encounters police have with civilians, ones in which lives are threatened make up only a small percentage. Good thing, huh?
    Indeed. I'd still like to improve that, however.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'm concerned you may kill give, ten, maybe fifty people. Should we be proactively killing you to prevent that?

    This is not indicative of the 12 million number provided. It's an outlier in terms of the daily encounters officers face.

    And what makes your subjective view on the value of life more significant than the subjective views of everyone else, including potential offenders?
    Your concerns are not relevant until (hypothetically) I did act on them. The moment I act on them, as Brown did, I am subject to be killed. Very easy concept. I cited laws and regs, you have your crazy and hilarious theories. Best of luck in the future. Don't attack any cops. You know what will happen.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Indeed. I'd still like to improve that, however.
    Wouldn't that be great? We would truly have a great society if no one ever threatened the lives of cops or anyone else.

    Here in the real world, however, things aren't so peaceful.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Your concerns are not relevant until (hypothetically) I did act on them. The moment I act on them, as Brown did, I am subject to be killed. Very easy concept. I cited laws and regs, you have your crazy and hilarious theories. Best of luck in the future. Don't attack any cops. You know what will happen.
    Just as your concerns about who Brown might've killed are rampant speculation and of no real value to the conversation.
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    Wouldn't that be great? We would truly have a great society if no one ever threatened the lives of cops or anyone else.

    Here in the real world, however, things aren't so peaceful.
    Status quo may be acceptable for some, but I expect more from my citizens and my government.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Just as your concerns about who Brown might've killed are rampant speculation and of no real value to the conversation.

    Status quo may be acceptable for some, but I expect more from my citizens and my government.
    My speculations about brown were irrelevant. His actions were not. He attempted to murder a cop, and died in the process. All of the right things happened in that scenario. Too bad we have people so stupid on this planet that they would try and murder a cop in cold blood, or anyone for that matter.

    Crazy right?

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    What kind of social services..... Its a broad term

    How would this prevent human emotion from creating the desire to kill? It won't. Even educated people kill.
    We've failed our citizens by not giving them affordable, easily accessible, low stigma mental health.

    You're right, intelligent people do murder, but increasing the education of society in terms of what to look for and how to prevent it gives them more ability to avoid escalation before it happens.
    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    We already have the death penalty... and yet people kill in those states. Not all murders are committed with a gun. So there goes your Gun Control idea (because that is where you were going with this I know)
    The death penalty isn't a solution, and yes, decreasing access to lethal weapons would contribute to decreased lethal acts.
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    And how would this prevent human emotion from creating the desire to kill another person?
    Obviously you can't control every human emotion, but you can decrease imbalances that contribute to at least one motive for killing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    WTF does that have to do with preventing people from wanting to murder others?

    Or was I wrong this whole time...

    Was it your desire to prevent people from stoping murderers by using lethal force, rather than from preventing murderers from having the desire to murder......
    I'm advocating what I perceive as a Constitutional right to fair trial, due process, ability to face an accuser, right to council, etc. This would be achieved by not permitting lethal force, even with the justification of stopping a crime in progress. Ideally, this would promote the secondary goal of decreased violence in general.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    My speculations about brown were irrelevant. His actions were not. He attempted to murder a cop, and died in the process. All of the right things happened in that scenario. Too bad we have people so stupid on this planet that they would try and murder a cop in cold blood, or anyone for that matter.

    Crazy right?
    I don't advocate attempted murder. I also don't advocate killing. They've both bad for society.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I don't advocate attempted murder. I also don't advocate killing. They've both bad for society.
    At least we agree on something

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    At least we agree on something
    We likely agree on a good many things. I'm a fan of order and justice. I see that as being a product of an organized, consistent, and objective system. Individual judgments and actions are frequently going to be disorganized, inconsistent, and subjective. I'm advocating removing those factors from the way we treat citizens.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    We likely agree on a good many things. I'm a fan of order and justice. I see that as being a product of an organized, consistent, and objective system. Individual judgments and actions are frequently going to be disorganized, inconsistent, and subjective. I'm advocating removing those factors from the way we treat citizens.
    Where we disagree is in the commission of the crime.

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