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Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

We built the ghettos. We made the economic system that created ghettos. We made the culture. It's our problem. We need to address it.

Liberals don't want black folks to leave the ghettos.
 
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If society doesn't like what society has made, society should contribute to fixing the problem.

If a welfare recipient doesn't want to be drug tested, they can get off welfare.
 
We built the ghettos. We made the economic system that created ghettos. We made the culture. It's our problem. We need to address it.

Do the inhabitants of the ghettos need to be participants in the addressing of the problem? They could start by cleaning up the place. What's with all the trash lying about?

Okay, so who gets to decide the method of solving the problem? And what are your solutions?
 
Do the inhabitants of the ghettos need to be participants in the addressing of the problem? They could start by cleaning up the place. What's with all the trash lying about?

Okay, so who gets to decide the method of solving the problem? And what are your solutions?

So far their solution has been pulling the race card. It's like the most popular thing to do right now.
 
Another case of militarized police forcing a confrontation where none needed to exist.

Watch the man's video (the one where he "threatens to kill police".

He is clearly off his freaking rocker.

There was absolutely NO reason for a "SWAT" team to be involved in any of this, preparing to execute a no-knock warrant (which should be an illegal tactic from the get go).

There was no reason to stop and attempt to arrest the guy.

Anyone with half a grain of sense would have seen that this guy is mentally ill and would have approached him and detained him with his medical issues in mind.

The cops manufactured the need to arrest this guy and once again blood is on their hands.

Understand that I am not faulting the police for shooting at the guy once he tried to run them over (if, in fact, he even presented any threat to the police during his attempted detainment/escape - I'm not convinced that he tried to "run cops over" and won't be until I see dash cam video of his clearly trying deliberately to run over police).

If he clearly tried to run over a cop or a group of cops, then yes, they did what they had to do.

But Pacini should have been handled differently from the beginning, as a mental health issue rather than using the Ramos/Liu shootings as a manufactured excuse to go after this guy like he was some kind of al Qaeda mastermind.
 
and if someone doesn't like where they are, they are free to leave.

Clearly, the residents of the inner city ghettos must like them.
There is a difference between being free to leave and having the opportunity to leave. Freedom without means isn't particularly valuable.
Liberals don't want black folks to leave the ghettos.
Liberals don't want ghettos. Liberals don't see ghettos as fair punishment for economic or cultural deviance. Liberals don't see ghettos as motivation for change. Liberals see ghettos as the societal failures they are.
 
Targeting random cops for killing does seem historic, I'll give you that.

I'm not justifying it, but it seems cops have gotten out of hand themselves quite a bit lately. Maybe they should sell their armored personnel carriers and military uniforms, and go back to being cops instead of military wannabes
 
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If society doesn't like what society has made, society should contribute to fixing the problem.

Wait...holy **** drug testing costs 178 million? Who the **** is paying the governor off for that contract?
 
There is a difference between being free to leave and having the opportunity to leave. Freedom without means isn't particularly valuable.

Liberals don't want ghettos. Liberals don't see ghettos as fair punishment for economic or cultural deviance. Liberals don't see ghettos as motivation for change. Liberals see ghettos as the societal failures they are.

Of course Libbos want ghettos. Ghettos vote 90%+ Democrat. Which do you think Liberal politicians value most, people, or votes? Tammany Hall is alive and well, in the Democrat Party.
 
There is a difference between being free to leave and having the opportunity to leave. Freedom without means isn't particularly valuable.

Liberals don't want ghettos. Liberals don't see ghettos as fair punishment for economic or cultural deviance. Liberals don't see ghettos as motivation for change. Liberals see ghettos as the societal failures they are.

A bus ticket to where there are jobs available isn't all that expensive.
I know lots of people who have left for greener pastures to get away from places where opportunities are lacking. It's not all that difficult, but then, it is easier just to stay put and let Uncle Sam take care of you.
 
I'm not justifying it, but it seems cops have gotten out of hand themselves quite a bit lately. Maybe they should sell their armored personnel carriers and military uniforms, and go back to being cops instead of military wannabes

It essy to insist that cops rid themselves of protective equipment, when it's not you taking the risks.
 
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If society doesn't like what society has made, society should contribute to fixing the problem.

So now you are saying that the right thing to do might cost too much money? I'm trying to understand your position at a practical level, not just from the "we can do better" point of view.

You say that society has made society, which is all well and good, but if members of society don't like the solutions imposed on them by society, then what? It might even be categorized as "tough love".
 
It essy to insist that cops rid themselves of protective equipment, when it's not you taking the risks.

You know the reason they have all of that large military equipment? When you guys start burning down buildings and looting stores because you didn't like the result of a court case.

EDIT: Sorry apdst, I was trying to reference the person you were quoting
 
There is a difference between being free to leave and having the opportunity to leave. Freedom without means isn't particularly valuable.

Every able bodied person has the opportunity to leave. The trouble is, it's too much like work.

Liberals don't want ghettos. Liberals don't see ghettos as fair punishment for economic or cultural deviance. Liberals don't see ghettos as motivation for change. Liberals see ghettos as the societal failures they are.

Good, you've admitted your failure, now fix it. And the fix cannot involve me paying for your failure.
 
Wait...holy **** drug testing costs 178 million? Who the **** is paying the governor off for that contract?

Lol, just another case of libs inflating the cost of something, then crying because it costs too much. :roll:
 
It essy to insist that cops rid themselves of protective equipment, when it's not you taking the risks.

They are over militarized. They start acting like stormtroopers after they start looking like them.
 
So now you are saying that the right thing to do might cost too much money? I'm trying to understand your position at a practical level, not just from the "we can do better" point of view.

You say that society has made society, which is all well and good, but if members of society don't like the solutions imposed on them by society, then what? It might even be categorized as "tough love".

Libs don't like the, "tough love", philosophy. They're more of the, "tough ****", school of thought.
 
They are over militarized. They start acting like stormtroopers after they start looking like them.

Helmets, body armor and armored cars are for the officers's personal protection. Take away that protection and cops are more likely to sit back and watch it burn.
 
Of course Libbos want ghettos. Ghettos vote 90%+ Democrat. Which do you think Liberal politicians value most, people, or votes? Tammany Hall is alive and well, in the Democrat Party.
Your ability to demonize is greater than your ability to analyze unfortunately.

A bus ticket to where there are jobs available isn't all that expensive.
I know lots of people who have left for greener pastures to get away from places where opportunities are lacking. It's not all that difficult, but then, it is easier just to stay put and let Uncle Sam take care of you.

The costs to relocate are significant both financially and socially. Finding gainful employment and housing in another area can be incredibly challenging for someone with limited resources.
So now you are saying that the right thing to do might cost too much money? I'm trying to understand your position at a practical level, not just from the "we can do better" point of view.

You say that society has made society, which is all well and good, but if members of society don't like the solutions imposed on them by society, then what? It might even be categorized as "tough love".
I don't agree with your premise that demanding urine samples of the poor is a realistic or effective solution to the multifaceted issue of poverty in America.

Every able bodied person has the opportunity to leave. The trouble is, it's too much like work.

Moving offers no guarantees, requires capital, and contains risks of its own. It's a solution for people that already have solutions, rather than a panacea fit people with scarce resources.
 
Lol, just another case of libs inflating the cost of something, then crying because it costs too much. :roll:
You mean the system that was implemented by a republican?
 
No, I mean the bureaucratic nightmare that is the halls of government.
You're really showing your partisan hackitude if you're blaming liberals for the bureaucracy in a republican led state, performing a republican led bill, that was created by republican think tanks.
 
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