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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Constitutional rights are the foundation of legal rights. I don't find any support for how the two conflicting rights can exist based on the Constitution.

    Yes. I encourage everyone to try and protect their lives. Killing other people is not the best means for protecting your own life. It's the best means for killing other people.

    Police have technology, numbers, strength, and experience on their side. I expect the police to be able to use these to supplement them when engaging potential criminals in place of simply shooting them.
    LOL! I just noticed this. You just said police have the "numbers"??? LOL! 12 MILLION offenders in 2013- that's not including multiple offenses! Only 780,000 total law enforcement (including park rangers and CT security). The FBI estimates 24 offenders to ONE police officer.

    What a hilariously incorrect statement you made. You are just an anti-cop propaganda machine.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And, what is your detailed prevention plan...............
    Increased social services, increased education, increased legal barriers to killing, more community outreach, greater staffing, greater training, etc.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    I cited law, you are just babbling and making up lies.

    Thanks for showing your ignorance on the subject and I really do hope you get educated on it. Law is a very interesting topic especially when you know it. :-)
    You're citing case law. I'm citing Constitutional rights. The two are in conflict. I'm siding with the document that's the foundation of the republic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    As an individual.... I cannot change the desire of another to murder me.

    I CAN change my response to that.... and despite your ideals that Murderers deserve more rights than victims.... my response is still to defend myself with the use of lethal force (if necessary).
    You're arguing a false dichotomy. Killing others is not the only method of preventing your own death.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    LOL! I just noticed this. You just said police have the "numbers"??? LOL! 12 MILLION offenders in 2013- that's not including multiple offenses! Only 780,000 total law enforcement (including park rangers and CT security). The FBI estimates 24 offenders to ONE police officer.

    What a hilariously incorrect statement you made. You are just an anti-cop propaganda machine.
    The difference is that law enforcement is organized, the overwhelming majority of those offenders are not, and in addition those 12 million offenders are rarely attempting to murder people.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The difference is that law enforcement is organized, the overwhelming majority of those offenders are not, and in addition those 12 million offenders are rarely attempting to murder people.
    They should be organized. With millions of people attacking them they should be prepared to shoot their way out if they need to, such as the savage Brown case.

    People shoot at police all the time. Luckily, they are trained well enough (and getting better) at eliminating the threat so the general public is safe. People like Brown...who knows how many innocents he would have slaughtered in cold blood, just as he tried to against Wilson. 5? 10? 50?

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The difference is that law enforcement is organized, the overwhelming majority of those offenders are not, and in addition those 12 million offenders are rarely attempting to murder people.
    In the case we're discussing, they were attempting to murder people. They were attempting to murder the cops with a deadly weapon, their vehicle.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Increased social services,
    What kind of social services..... Its a broad term

    increased education
    How would this prevent human emotion from creating the desire to kill? It won't. Even educated people kill.
    increased legal barriers to killing
    We already have the death penalty... and yet people kill in those states. Not all murders are committed with a gun. So there goes your Gun Control idea (because that is where you were going with this I know)
    more community outreach,
    And how would this prevent human emotion from creating the desire to kill another person?
    greater staffing, greater training, etc.
    WTF does that have to do with preventing people from wanting to murder others?

    Or was I wrong this whole time...

    Was it your desire to prevent people from stoping murderers by using lethal force, rather than from preventing murderers from having the desire to murder......

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post

    You're arguing a false dichotomy. Killing others is not the only method of preventing your own death.
    While you are correct....

    You are not correct 100% of the time.

    My life is worth a higher percentage of success.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    They should be organized. With millions of people attacking them they should be prepared to shoot their way out if they need to, such as the savage Brown case.

    People shoot at police all the time. Luckily, they are trained well enough (and getting better) at eliminating the threat so the general public is safe. People like Brown...who knows how many innocents he would have slaughtered in cold blood, just as he tried to against Wilson. 5? 10? 50?
    I'm concerned you may kill give, ten, maybe fifty people. Should we be proactively killing you to prevent that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    In the case we're discussing, they were attempting to murder people. They were attempting to murder the cops with a deadly weapon, their vehicle.
    This is not indicative of the 12 million number provided. It's an outlier in terms of the daily encounters officers face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    While you are correct....

    You are not correct 100% of the time.

    My life is worth a higher percentage of success.
    And what makes your subjective view on the value of life more significant than the subjective views of everyone else, including potential offenders?
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'm concerned you may kill give, ten, maybe fifty people. Should we be proactively killing you to prevent that?

    This is not indicative of the 12 million number provided. It's an outlier in terms of the daily encounters officers face.

    And what makes your subjective view on the value of life more significant than the subjective views of everyone else, including potential offenders?
    True. Of the millions of encounters police have with civilians, ones in which lives are threatened make up only a small percentage. Good thing, huh?
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