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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Because it's in keeping with my reading of the Constitution and with a happier, more peaceful society in general.



    1. No argument. I'm not claiming to be immune from advocating bad policy either. None of us are anywhere near the technocrats I'd prefer running things.

    2. Virtually every car accident is preventable with sufficient implementation of defensive driving techniques. We accept them because it's too easy to chalk them up to fate, or the other guy when both drivers likely bare some responsibility. If we approached "self defense" Even though the guy on front of us slammed on their brakes unexpectedly, it's still our obligation to maintain a safe following distance.

    If we as individuals and a society approached self defense as more than simply carrying a last moment strategy on our hip this would be virtually impossible.

    The government already denies your ability to kill every other moment of your life, this is simply a small boundary shift.
    Now you're just making up lies, I never stated that. I stated the government authorizes you to kill if you are being killed.

    I'm beginnig to think you're in junior high. Am I correct?

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Because it's in keeping with my reading of the Constitution and with a happier, more peaceful society in general.



    1. No argument. I'm not claiming to be immune from advocating bad policy either. None of us are anywhere near the technocrats I'd prefer running things.

    2. Virtually every car accident is preventable with sufficient implementation of defensive driving techniques. We accept them because it's too easy to chalk them up to fate, or the other guy when both drivers likely bare some responsibility. If we approached "self defense" Even though the guy on front of us slammed on their brakes unexpectedly, it's still our obligation to maintain a safe following distance.

    If we as individuals and a society approached self defense as more than simply carrying a last moment strategy on our hip this would be virtually impossible.

    The government already denies your ability to kill every other moment of your life, this is simply a small boundary shift.
    Car accident?

    When you use your car as a weapon to deliberately run over people, that's not a car accident.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Too bad...We don't think like you, and don't want your way of doing things...
    I get that. We're many pages worth of posts into this discussion echoing your view.

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Now you're just making up lies, I never stated that. I stated the government authorizes you to kill if you are being killed.

    I'm beginnig to think you're in junior high. Am I correct?
    The government currently authorizes you to kill in a number of very limited situations which vary from state to state. I'm simply suggesting reducing that very limited number of situations to even less situations.
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    Car accident?

    When you use your car as a weapon to deliberately run over people, that's not a car accident.
    It's an analogy. The analogy works in the sense that there are two people encountering each other with potentially deadly weapons and with effective strategy no lives need to be lost as a result of multicar accidents.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I get that. We're many pages worth of posts into this discussion echoing your view.



    The government currently authorizes you to kill in a number of very limited situations which vary from state to state. I'm simply suggesting reducing that very limited number of situations to even less situations.

    It's an analogy. The analogy works in the sense that there are two people encountering each other with potentially deadly weapons and with effective strategy no lives need to be lost as a result of multicar accidents.
    We know what you're suggesting. You want the MURDERER to have MORE rights, and the victim to have less rights to defend themselves. You've said it a million times. We get it dude.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    We know what you're suggesting. You want the MURDERER to have MORE rights, and the victim to have less rights to defend themselves. You've said it a million times. We get it dude.
    I want them both to have the same rights. They're both citizens, neither is convicted of a crime, they are both entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in addition to their Constitutional rights until denied by the justice system.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I want them both to have the same rights. They're both citizens, neither is convicted of a crime, they are both entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in addition to their Constitutional rights until denied by the justice system.
    That's where you are insanely wrong. Someone in the commission of a murder forfeits their rights immediately. That is exactly why you are legally allowed to kill them. The victim has ALL of the righs in that scenario, and the murderer has zero. They would be lucky to live if there was a cop or armed citizen around.

    Thank god that the world doesn't think like this. Why do you have such support for murderers? Do I dare ask why you wish the victim to die when they are attacked just so the murderer can live?

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    That's where you are insanely wrong. Someone in the commission of a murder forfeits their rights immediately. That is exactly why you are legally allowed to kill them. The victim has ALL of the righs in that scenario, and the murderer has zero. They would be lucky to live if there was a cop or armed citizen around.

    Thank god that the world doesn't think like this. Why do you have such support for murderers? Do I dare ask why you wish the victim to die when they are attacked just so the murderer can live?
    I want them both to live. There's a consistent false dichotomy being argued that only one party can survive this encounter of two people.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I want them both to live. There's a consistent false dichotomy being argued that only one party can survive this encounter of two people.
    A murderer's job is to murder the person they are murdering. Their sole purpose is to take the life of someone else. I'm not going to argue with you anymore. I'm just glad the entire world shares my views, and no one shares yours. For the sake of humanity-otherwise, the murderers would have easy pickins.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I want them both to have the same rights. They're both citizens, neither is convicted of a crime, they are both entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in addition to their Constitutional rights until denied by the justice system.
    With that in mind...

    When one of the citizens attempts to deprive the other of their life.... should they be permitted to do so... IN THAT MOMENT, because they have not had a trial yet to be determined guilty? Or should the at-risk individual be permitted to defend themselves against the attempt on their life, even through means of matching deadly force with deadly force in order to do so?

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    A murderer's job is to murder the person they are murdering. Their sole purpose is to take the life of someone else. I'm not going to argue with you anymore. I'm just glad the entire world shares my views, and no one shares yours. For the sake of humanity-otherwise, the murderers would have easy pickins.
    A murderer is not a murderer until recognized as such by the state, until then they are a citizen and protected by the same rights as all citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    With that in mind...

    When one of the citizens attempts to deprive the other of their life.... should they be permitted to do so... IN THAT MOMENT, because they have not had a trial yet to be determined guilty? Or should the at-risk individual be permitted to defend themselves against the attempt on their life, even through means of matching deadly force with deadly force in order to do so?
    That's basically been the premise we've been discussing. My viewpoint is that the state is the arbiter of justice. Interference, even well meaning, is still interference. The ends don't justify the means for citizens to deny life to other citizens without trial.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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