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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The bolded above is your basic problem. The press takes great pains, especially as of late, to imply that race was a factor without providing anything other than a racial difference between the officer and the "victim". Of course, when the racial differences are reversed, this rarely occurs. That difference in reporting alone skews that "internal score" so much as to render it meaningless.

    When a small racial subset (14%) of the population is responsible for about half of the nation's homicides, one (using that "internal score"") is not permitted to use that fact to infer that blacks, in general, are more likely murders (since that would be racist), but if less than 1% of police officers kill any (much less black) folks then it is somehow fair game (using your sacred, personal "internal score"?) to label police, in general, as more likely violent, racist killers.
    Both statistics are self-perpetuating. Impoverished, disenfranchised groups that perceive systemic abuse will not adhere to a system that they perceive holds them in disenfranchised, abused poverty.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Here's the systemic inequality in the imprisonment:


    Here's the systemic inequality in using SWAT:


    Here's the systemic inequality in being killed by police:


    Here's the systemic inequality in household wealth, which likely contributes to the above statistics:
    We all know the numbers, now tell us what about the system creates inequality.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Both statistics are self-perpetuating. Impoverished, disenfranchised groups that perceive systemic abuse will not adhere to a system that they perceive holds them in disenfranchised, abused poverty.
    What abuse does the system dish out to black folks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We all know the numbers, now tell us what about the system creates inequality.
    Inheritance laws. Public school funding. Voting access. Campaign financing. Minimum wage laws. Etc. Etc. Etc. All the typical liberal/progressive concerns.

    Lack of access to opportunity are what maintains and builds on inequality that was created hundreds of years ago.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What abuse does the system dish out to black folks?
    I just posted a handful of charts showing the system abuses black people. Assuming that blacks and whites are equal genetically, and have equal opportunity in our system, the numbers should look equal.

    Those numbers are grossly unequal. That's systemic abuse.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    What? No cries for banning cars? We want to ban guns because people get shot with them but we don't want to ban cars because people get run over by them?

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    What? No cries for banning cars? We want to ban guns because people get shot with them but we don't want to ban cars because people get run over by them?
    False analogy. Guns exist to kill people/animals/things (for beneficial or harmful purposes is another debate). Cars are a method of transportation and without them the modern society (especially in large countries such as China, US) would be severely negatively impacted. Civilian ownership of guns therefore cannot be possibly used as an analogy to cars. The analogy is simply ridiculous and it's very tiring hearing that crap over and over again. I'm somewhat divided and mostly indifferent about gun ownership but your analogy is just absurd.

    Edit: BTW the OP isn't even about gun control. How thoughtful to bring up a totally irrelevant topic.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Inheritance laws. Public school funding. Voting access. Campaign financing. Minimum wage laws. Etc. Etc. Etc. All the typical liberal/progressive concerns.

    Lack of access to opportunity are what maintains and builds on inequality that was created hundreds of years ago.
    There are 8 black, female millionares in the world. All of them are American. Colin Powell was secretary of state. Condelizza Rice was secretary of defense. Barack Obama is president. Eric Holder is the AG. Those facts cancel out your claims.

    The fact is, black people have no fewer rights and no less access to The American Dream than anyome else. There are literally millions of black Americans who have a good job--not minimum wage--and have never been to jail, to claim that black folks can't succeed in America.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    False analogy. Guns exist to kill people/animals/things (for beneficial or harmful purposes is another debate). Cars are a method of transportation and without them the modern society (especially in large countries such as China, US) would be severely negatively impacted. Civilian ownership of guns therefore cannot be possibly used as an analogy to cars. The analogy is simply ridiculous and it's very tiring hearing that crap over and over again. I'm somewhat divided and mostly indifferent about gun ownership but your analogy is just absurd.

    Edit: BTW the OP isn't even about gun control. How thoughtful to bring up a totally irrelevant topic.
    What is absurd is that guns are only used to kill things. Simply not true It isn't true of cars either. Sorry, sea lawyer.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I just posted a handful of charts showing the system abuses black people. Assuming that blacks and whites are equal genetically, and have equal opportunity in our system, the numbers should look equal.

    Those numbers are grossly unequal. That's systemic abuse.
    The system isn't the problem, unless you're claiming that black folks are too animalistic to succeed in civilized society.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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