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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post

    She can be defended without killing citizens.
    Maybe, and maybe not. If the attacker is large, strong, and crazy on PCP and the defender is small, weak, but armed with a handgun or a baseball bat, then the only alternative to screaming and running in circles would likely be to shoot the attacker or bash him on the head.

    Would you simply scream and run in circles, call the cops and wait for them to arrive, or perhaps just tell the attacker to pretty please wait for his trial?
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No...you did not. You continue to avoid it....preferring to hide the actual words that state for everyone your position. Because the rights of both citizens CANNOT be observed if one attacks and kills the other. Who is protecting the rights of the attacked? The laws supporting self-defense which only allow lethal force when there is no alternative. WHich you completely ignore OR are unable to understand. Can you clarify that for me? Do you understand that lethal force is only legal when there is no other alternative to save a life or from gross bodily harm?

    So again: you stumble around trying to avoid answering: should the policeman being bludgeoned to death, already with a broken arm and leg, have to allow the attacker to kill him without using lethal force to stop him?

    And, should a bystander, a woman like myself, just stand there, call 911, and let an armed man rape your daughter rather than use lethal force to stop him?

    You have not answered these direct questions, not once.. And they are not rare....that has also been proven since we have obvious and recent examples right here in this thread.

    So....any possibility you can honestly answer to support your moral belief...or not? The daughter gets raped, the cop gets bludgeoned to death...better than lethal intervention...yes or no?

    Any cojones in there at all????? If not, it's apparent that your unrealistic and selfish moral position is not actually your true belief, especially when it affects you personally.




    How? How can a woman stop a rapist with a knife coming at her, with nowhere to escape to? Let's hear it.

    C'mon, put something real beneath the shifting sands of your selfish moral stance.
    I disagree with your view that self defense laws are appropriately limited, the statistics for citizens killed by police suggests that law enforcement is given far too much leeway:


    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The law is clear on self-defense.....you can only use lethal force if it's the only way to stop from being killed or from an attacker doing gross bodily harm.

    So...what constitutes self-defense in your opinion?


    And crazy question I know....if using lethal force to stop them is the ONLY way to stop the attacker....how do you 'not allow it?'

    (It should be noted that the purpose of lethal force is to stop the attack as immediately as possible...not to kill. Lethal force often does not kill, but the victim must continue until the attack STOPS.)
    If this was reality, unarmed men wouldn't be getting killed while armed men go free.


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    It determined who you parents were? How's that?
    Extrapolate my earlier response.

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    Let me ask you this, Unrepresented:

    If you stop to ask someone for directions and the person you ask for directions takes a bat and starts beating you (without you having physically touched this person), do you believe you have a right to defend yourself? We both know the answer to that question.

    Brown physically attacked (of all people) a cop. The reason Wilson was not even indicted, was because he did the RIGHT thing. Killing Brown was not only necessary due to the situation, but likely prevented future murders from a savage animal. Anyone willing to murder an officer in cold blood in public, has likely killed before. I am sure once this dies down that they will likely dig into Brown's past to see if any unsolved murders are linked to him. Likely there are.
    I have a right to defend myself. Killing the other person isn't defending myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Maybe, and maybe not. If the attacker is large, strong, and crazy on PCP and the defender is small, weak, but armed with a handgun or a baseball bat, then the only alternative to screaming and running in circles would likely be to shoot the attacker or bash him on the head.

    Would you simply scream and run in circles, call the cops and wait for them to arrive, or perhaps just tell the attacker to pretty please wait for his trial?
    And maybe the attacker is a vampire, and has laser beams he shoots from his eyes, and other unrealistic additions meant to prey on societal fears that rarely occur.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I disagree with your view that self defense laws are appropriately limited, the statistics for citizens killed by police suggests that law enforcement is given far too much leeway:



    If this was reality, unarmed men wouldn't be getting killed while armed men go free.



    Extrapolate my earlier response.



    I have a right to defend myself. Killing the other person isn't defending myself.



    And maybe the attacker is a vampire, and has laser beams he shoots from his eyes, and other unrealistic additions meant to prey on societal fears that rarely occur.
    Why don't you just explain your ridiculous statement? How did the state choose your parents?
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I disagree with your view that self defense laws are appropriately limited, the statistics for citizens killed by police suggests that law enforcement is given far too much leeway:



    If this was reality, unarmed men wouldn't be getting killed while armed men go free.



    Extrapolate my earlier response.



    I have a right to defend myself. Killing the other person isn't defending myself.



    And maybe the attacker is a vampire, and has laser beams he shoots from his eyes, and other unrealistic additions meant to prey on societal fears that rarely occur.
    Being large, strong, and under the influence of PCP or some other such substance is not at all unrealistic.

    You do have a point that there have been questionable shootings by the police. You don't have a point that a cop or anyone else shouldn't have the right to self defense, even if that means killing someone who is a threat.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why don't you just explain your ridiculous statement? How did the state choose your parents?
    And provide sources for all that too. It's something pulled together by someone named Darla apparently, who could pick and choose at will.

    And has nothing to do with what I claimed....the laws are clear. Enforcement and convictions are not...juries are not predictable and laws are interpreted differently. Those things go to juries...the very thing he DEMANDS. He makes no sense at all.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No...you did not. You continue to avoid it....preferring to hide the actual words that state for everyone your position. Because the rights of both citizens CANNOT be observed if one attacks and kills the other. Who is protecting the rights of the attacked? The laws supporting self-defense which only allow lethal force when there is no alternative. WHich you completely ignore OR are unable to understand. Can you clarify that for me? Do you understand that lethal force is only legal when there is no other alternative to save a life or from gross bodily harm?

    So again: you stumble around trying to avoid answering: should the policeman being bludgeoned to death, already with a broken arm and leg, have to allow the attacker to kill him without using lethal force to stop him?

    And, should a bystander, a woman like myself, just stand there, call 911, and let an armed man rape your daughter rather than use lethal force to stop him?

    You have not answered these direct questions, not once.. And they are not rare....that has also been proven since we have obvious and recent examples right here in this thread.

    So....any possibility you can honestly answer to support your moral belief...or not? The daughter gets raped, the cop gets bludgeoned to death...better than lethal intervention...yes or no?

    Any cojones in there at all????? If not, it's apparent that your unrealistic and selfish moral position is not actually your true belief, especially when it affects you personally.


    How? How can a woman stop a rapist with a knife coming at her, with nowhere to escape to? Let's hear it.

    C'mon, put something real beneath the shifting sands of your selfish moral stance.
    ^^^So, huge attempt at diversion but still no answers? Why is that? Why cant you honestly answer? Obviously you cannot without admitting that your position is a fantasy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why don't you just explain your ridiculous statement? How did the state choose your parents?
    The state obviously didn't make my parents compulsory breed me, but the state did provide all the factors that led to my parents meeting, breeding, and giving birth to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Being large, strong, and under the influence of PCP or some other such substance is not at all unrealistic.

    You do have a point that there have been questionable shootings by the police. You don't have a point that a cop or anyone else shouldn't have the right to self defense, even if that means killing someone who is a threat.
    No one should be killed "because they're a threat." That's not justice.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post

    I don't believe the attacker should be allowed to kill, I just disagree about what constitutes self defense.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
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    So...what constitutes self-defense in your opinion?
    So again...no answer? Is it not possible to provide a direct answer to any question that threatens your position?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The state obviously didn't make my parents compulsory breed me, but the state did provide all the factors that led to my parents meeting, breeding, and giving birth to me.



    No one should be killed "because they're a threat." That's not justice.
    So, you allow them to kill someone else.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, you allow them to kill someone else.
    He refuses to directly answer that. He says that self defense is wrong because it deprives the attacker of 'justice.'

    So then yes, you must allow them to kill you or another if there is no other escape. But he wont admit that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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