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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The only interpretation that matters is the SCOTUS's....
    On a current applicable basis, sure.

    But that doesn't stop us from making thousands of posts on this forum discussing the validity of those decisions.
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    Ok, so you disagree with case law....You still must follow it....

    Are you against property rights as well?
    Being for or against "property rights" in an incredibly overbroad question. I share some views standard American views, I disagree with some standard American views. I'd imagine that's true with everyone.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    On a current applicable basis, sure.

    But that doesn't stop us from making thousands of posts on this forum discussing the validity of those decisions.
    Yeah, that and $1.50 will get you a refill of a ****ty cup of coffee at the truck stop.

    Being for or against "property rights" in an incredibly overbroad question. I share some views standard American views, I disagree with some standard American views. I'd imagine that's true with everyone.
    Ok, I don't really care...All I know is that rational people will never see it your way, regardless of what political affiliation we may have....I don't know what kind of anarchist, anti American, collectivist crap has crawled out from under the rocks they were hiding under til Obama got in, but believe you me, they need to either crawl back under themselves, or be put there.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'm sorry that you don't believe that everyone is entitled to Constitutional protections and justice.

    People being attacked deserve that right as well. They should settle it through our judicial system which is intended to rectify violation of law.

    Adding violence and in justice to a violent encounter isn't decreasing violence or injustice. It's adding to it.

    You may feel the ends justify the means, but that's not justice.

    Again, "kill or be killed" situations don't really exist much outside of suspense films.
    Its amazing watching you twist yourself into knots over this.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    There is a difference between the individual's perception of risk and the actual risk. While absolute objectivity may not be possible, the individual involved will almost certainly be more subjective in their perceptions.
    So if someone is swinging a shovel at you, just explain to them that this is a matter for the courts as your skull is being bashed in?

    Makes sense.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    1) The fourteenth Amendment guarantees all Americans the same federally protected rights. The lack of a stated right to "self defense" suggests that it clearly wasn't the priority to the founders that fair and equal due process was.

    2) I'm trying to be respectful of the other posters.

    I disagree with castle doctrines.
    Very well, when do you plan to post a sign in front of your home saying you are unarmed and disagree with the castle doctine?

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    You still haven't provided any documentation supporting "self defense" as a right by any of our basic founding documents.
    Its a natural right. Even a gazelle being chased down by a lion knows this.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Having a different interpretation of the Constitution is different from not believing in it. I've been arguing from an interpretation of the Constitution throughout even if you don't share it.

    I'm aware of what case law says about "self-defense." My argument isn't about case law.
    If you believe neither whats written nor the interpretations you dont believe in it.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I skimmed through the article and didn't see anything beyond references to state constitutions and the second amendment. I currently hold a collectivist view of the second amendment, which conflicts with an individualist view of "self defense."
    It also conflicts with the decisions of the US Supreme Court.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, that and $1.50 will get you a refill of a ****ty cup of coffee at the truck stop.
    By this logic most forums in this site should be closed, considering that the only opinions that matter are the SCOTUS ones and not ours. We're here to discuss political thoughts, not necessarily just parrot what's actually happened.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, I don't really care...All I know is that rational people will never see it your way, regardless of what political affiliation we may have....I don't know what kind of anarchist, anti American, collectivist crap has crawled out from under the rocks they were hiding under til Obama got in, but believe you me, they need to either crawl back under themselves, or be put there.
    I'm arguing an interpretation of the same founding documents you claim to place your faith in.
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    Its amazing watching you twist yourself into knots over this.
    I disagree. I think that my view is much more consistent than "self defense" is.
    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So if someone is swinging a shovel at you, just explain to them that this is a matter for the courts as your skull is being bashed in?

    Makes sense.
    Even if another citizen is attempting to violate your rights doesn't mean that you have to violate theirs.

    Eye for an eye is primitive justice. We're modern people with modern understandings and modern resources. We're capable of better.
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    Very well, when do you plan to post a sign in front of your home saying you are unarmed and disagree with the castle doctine?
    Avoiding trouble is the smartest form of "self defense."
    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its a natural right. Even a gazelle being chased down by a lion knows this.
    Natural rights don't exist.
    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    If you believe neither whats written nor the interpretations you dont believe in it.
    You don't get to be the gatekeeper of which interpretation is legitimate. It's as much my document as an American citizen as it is yours.
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    It also conflicts with the decisions of the US Supreme Court.
    I understand that. I'm not arguing case law. I'm arguing the conflict of ideologies between the Bill of Rights and those SCOTUS decisions.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    By this logic most forums in this site should be closed, considering that the only opinions that matter are the SCOTUS ones and not ours. We're here to discuss political thoughts, not necessarily just parrot what's actually happened.

    I'm arguing an interpretation of the same founding documents you claim to place your faith in.

    I disagree. I think that my view is much more consistent than "self defense" is.

    Even if another citizen is attempting to violate your rights doesn't mean that you have to violate theirs.

    Eye for an eye is primitive justice. We're modern people with modern understandings and modern resources. We're capable of better.

    Avoiding trouble is the smartest form of "self defense."

    Natural rights don't exist.

    You don't get to be the gatekeeper of which interpretation is legitimate. It's as much my document as an American citizen as it is yours.

    I understand that. I'm not arguing case law. I'm arguing the conflict of ideologies between the Bill of Rights and those SCOTUS decisions.
    Sometimes (like in self defense) you have to violate another persons rights. The law recognizes this.

    Life exists outside of liberal theory.

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