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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    1) The fourteenth Amendment guarantees all Americans the same federally protected rights. The lack of a stated right to "self defense" suggests that it clearly wasn't the priority to the founders that fair and equal due process was.

    2) I'm trying to be respectful of the other posters.

    I disagree with castle doctrines.
    I know you do.
    Nevertheless, I do have the right of self defense within my own home.
    Outside of it, too.

    and the 14th. Amendment doesn't take that right from me or anyone else.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    1) The fourteenth Amendment guarantees all Americans the same federally protected rights. The lack of a stated right to "self defense" suggests that it clearly wasn't the priority to the founders that fair and equal due process was.

    2) I'm trying to be respectful of the other posters.

    1. Where in the 14th amendment does it say that anyone has a right to kill police in order to evade arrest?

    2. Stick to the topic, and you will be.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post

    I disagree with castle doctrines.

    Disagree all you want but it is the law.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I know you do.
    Nevertheless, I do have the right of self defense within my own home.
    Outside of it, too.

    and the 14th. Amendment doesn't take that right from me or anyone else.
    You still haven't provided any documentation supporting "self defense" as a right by any of our basic founding documents.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    You still haven't provided any documentation supporting "self defense" as a right by any of our basic founding documents.
    Here you go.

    Now, are you going to still try to argue that we don't have the right of self defense in the US? Let's see some documentation of that.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Here you go.

    Now, are you going to still try to argue that we don't have the right of self defense in the US? Let's see some documentation of that.
    I skimmed through the article and didn't see anything beyond references to state constitutions and the second amendment. I currently hold a collectivist view of the second amendment, which conflicts with an individualist view of "self defense."
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I skimmed through the article and didn't see anything beyond references to state constitutions and the second amendment. I currently hold a collectivist view of the second amendment, which conflicts with an individualist view of "self defense."

    Well then, we need not prove anything to you because you don't believe in the constitution anyway, that is unless for the purposes of convenience you can use certain provisions to benefit you.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I skimmed through the article and didn't see anything beyond references to state constitutions and the second amendment. I currently hold a collectivist view of the second amendment, which conflicts with an individualist view of "self defense."
    Refer to these SCOTUS decisions...

    Brown v. United States

    "Brown v. United States, [1] was a United States Supreme Court case where the Court held that if a person is attacked, and that person reasonably believes that he is in immediate danger of death or grievous bodily injury, he has no duty to retreat and may stand his ground and, if he kills his attacker, he has not exceeded the bounds of lawful self-defense."

    Brown v. United States (1921) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    District of Columbia v. Heller

    "District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held in a 5-4 decision that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution applies to federal enclaves and protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. The decision did not address the question of whether the Second Amendment extends beyond federal enclaves to the states,[1] which was addressed later by McDonald v. Chicago (2010). It was the first Supreme Court case to decide whether the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.[2]"

    District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well then, we need not prove anything to you because you don't believe in the constitution anyway, that is unless for the purposes of convenience you can use certain provisions to benefit you.
    Having a different interpretation of the Constitution is different from not believing in it. I've been arguing from an interpretation of the Constitution throughout even if you don't share it.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Refer to these SCOTUS decisions...

    Brown v. United States

    "Brown v. United States, [1] was a United States Supreme Court case where the Court held that if a person is attacked, and that person reasonably believes that he is in immediate danger of death or grievous bodily injury, he has no duty to retreat and may stand his ground and, if he kills his attacker, he has not exceeded the bounds of lawful self-defense."

    Brown v. United States (1921) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    District of Columbia v. Heller

    "District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held in a 5-4 decision that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution applies to federal enclaves and protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. The decision did not address the question of whether the Second Amendment extends beyond federal enclaves to the states,[1] which was addressed later by McDonald v. Chicago (2010). It was the first Supreme Court case to decide whether the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.[2]"

    District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I'm aware of what case law says about "self-defense." My argument isn't about case law.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Having a different interpretation of the Constitution is different from not believing in it. I've been arguing from an interpretation of the Constitution throughout even if you don't share it.
    The only interpretation that matters is the SCOTUS's....

    I'm aware of what case law says about "self-defense." My argument isn't about case law.
    Ok, so you disagree with case law....You still must follow it....

    Are you against property rights as well?
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